Spurs Banter Archive November 28 2013

28 Nov 2013 19:28:49
Omg can someone please explain to me his substitutions after 70 min. why bring on vat for a nothing game. We r looking for goals bring on the young striker and see what he can do ffs

28 Nov 2013 19:03:19
half time against tromso and I've fallen asleep again watching boring tottenham and he still plays one upfront I will not buy a ticket for spurs while avb is in charge please sack him asap {Ed008's Note - OMG!

28 Nov 2013 15:51:41
YOU CAN TELL AVB doesn't KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING,

> he started kaboul against the best attack in the prem when he hasn't stated 1 prem game this year

>vertonghan is our most important defender he should be captain and should always be in the center of defenece

>he wanted to sell dawson but then very quickly made him captian which means we can't drop him now.

> he starts holtby in the AMC pos to provide for soldado againts the strongest team in the prem, when we have siggy who is the highest prem goalscorer for us, and is his natural position.

i think the average spurs fan can clearly see these mistakes so why doesn't he, well overated hope we can get hiddink

LoreKin

You're just another one of us asking the same questions about our new Tactical Genius manager!

We just all give up trying to understand his decisions f@@k knows what the players make of it! {Ed008's Note - Who else was he supposed to start in defence instead of Kaboul? At the time Chriches and Rose were injured and every game Naughton was called upon he has been poor so he went with experience. Vertonghen due to injuries has been asked to play left-back no one else can play there. Dawson has been one of Spurs best players the last couple of years when FIT he had a bad game against one of the quickest attacks in the Premiership his lack of pace caused him problems all game. The problem with Attacking Midfield is when players have been given chances they've not performed Sigurdsson then Eriksen now Holtby neither has staked a claim for that behind the striker role you can say Sigurdsson has goals in his game but he's not produced enough and you can say that about a lot of players Townsend,Soldado,Lamela etc

Suppose you can do a better job?

Dawson was actually made captain before we tried selling him so if he's willing to make him captain then try sell him I'm sure dropping him isn't an issue.

Vertongen lb when our no 1 lb is injured makes perfect sense even though I'd prefer him in the centre.

Holtby has immense vision and can pull off sensational passes so again playing him makes sense if Eriksen isn't available, even though when Siggy has been given a chance he's looked very good.

Kaboul, well, even unfit with the team around him you'd expect him to be good enough and not be in a team that lost 6-0.

Let's face it, it was just a terrible day at the office for every player and no way should our team concede 6 goals against anybody but saying that it can only act as a wake up call and United at the weekend is perfect. If we got a weaker side then we would put in a similar performance as previous Epl games but with united we've got to give it a little extra especially after Sundays result.

Arsenal had a very poor start last year and fans were calling for Wengers head, look how that ended! We've got an amazing team and believe it or not a great manager, things will come good.

Good to see the vote on AVB going in favour of keeping him because realistically who else is there?

Ed: I never mentioned the defence or Dawson who I like but isn't suited to the highline. I know Bale has gone but maybe the highline/pressing game is not allowing the space for us to attack/counter attack with pace which we are used to! How come the Gooners can loose players and still play good attacking football with player who cost less than ours! and still get top 4, you can't tell me you are happy with the way we play!
{Ed008's Note - I agree Dawson isn't suited for high defensive line that's why Chriches was brought in for to partner Vertonghen, i honestly believe the problem is the team hasn't settled constant rotation to keep the team fresh hasn't allowed enough game time for say Walker/Lamela to understand their roles on the right side or Eriksen/Soldado it's a problem that has to be worked out on the training field hard work putting that extra effort in. Arsenal play a much different type of football to Spurs at the moment their playing without wingers and the midfield 5 are constantly rotating in the final 3rd to create chances it's working for them but it's not a tactic Tottenham can play. I don't think the problem is how AVB has set up the team more on the players picked and how they are not being more expressive in their play huge difference from last season's set up.

Its all about opinions Ed, I know in the 4 years Harry was there I didn't leave to many home games that un-happy with the way we tried to win a game, AVB's style of play with or without Bale dosen't is not doing it for me and a few other long standing season ticket holders/fans, most wanted it to work for him but I am not sure yet. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
{Ed008's Note - Exactly football is all about opinions i'm not saying your wrong and i'm right, i'm simply mentioning my thoughts on the whole tactics saga Spurs fans are discussing.

Spurs 1985, you must have rose tinted spectacles on! I have always backed AVB, thought he was it, we'll he is except it has an sh in front of it! How does the bloke get away with it? His system doesn't work, doesn't know how to change it! He keeps rotating players, so no one gets the chance to gel! He keeps playing Dawson, who is so bad! His substitutions are un believable, why change Fryers, 2-0 up, give him the experience for f@@ks sake!
He doesn't seem to motivate the players, he doesn't know what their best positions are, his tactics are so boring and slow that when we get the ball I make a cup of coffee in the time it takes to get it to the oppositions half! Surely someone can have a word in his lug hole, please!

Davo - love it mate top reply, couldn't have worded it better! I hate fans who shout for managers out but this team tonight are about as good as Stevenage in div 1 and there goal keeper never made a safe but its ok because AVB is happy with total possession of the football yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I want my Tottenham back please Levy/Lewis please please please

No Davo, I see how poor we've been playing, I saw us lose 6-0 to city, I've also been bored watching us play at times and I've also questioned AVB's tactics but also I understand how football works as I'm sure you do if you take off your negative spectacles.

His system doesn't work? Most clean sheets in the Epl, was best defensive record in the league before that terror show at city. That's a good defensive stats, agree?
We've created more chances than any other team albeit a terrible conversion rate. So attacking stats are good. The only problem is our conversion rate and had that been at about 25% our goals for tally would be trebled.
So all in all the tactics are working just we have again built a new side, from all corners of the world who also have no Epl experience. Regardless off your impatience it will take time and with the team understanding each other better our conversion rate should improve.

It says a lot about our supporters when the first vote on the spurs voting poll was about sacking our manager. Very negative!

Sorry Ed but I must take issue with you on something! You state that Dawson has been one of our best players in the lady few years, have you been watching him honestly? He gives his best yes, but his best isn't good enough! Mid table premier league club at best, oh sorry that is us! {Ed008's Note - Davo your right about he tries his best but you can't argue his commitment because every game he tries gives his best, i've watched him i agree at times he's poor because his lack of pace or his desire to hit 60 yard passes out of play, he's a midtable player but last season when he returned to the team after being frozen out the team performances got better defensively you could see that.

Spurs1985 the game is all about opinions so fair play with yours!
Question do you go to home games? you are obviously happy watching 90 odd mins every other week if you do and you are stating statistics regarding chances creates conversion rate etc etc but chances created could be classed as a 35 yard shot trickling across the turf into the goal keepers hands, not many goal keepers this season have had world class games apart from Newcastle, you sound like AVB with all you statistics Lol
Just wait and see what happens with AVB it won't be long ( I wanted it to work for him but Bale helped him out the rubbish big time last year) record points or not we finished 5th not 4th like Harry twice and 5th in three seasons so we are going backwards!

Yoddo1972, unfortunately no I don't attend games anymore but have been to many games in my life. Good or bad I support my team. When the times were hard we would support the side even more on the terraces but as we've improved as a team expectations are higher so naturally we become nervous.

Yeah I'm aware that a good percentage were shots from outside the box (I believe about 60%) but with the team gelled them attempts from outside the box will become great chances rather than hopeful chances.

At the end of the day any team who changes a huge part of thier team finds things difficult (QPR, Sunderland in recent time) so got to stay positive and find a shining light from somewhere which is in my opinion that AVB isn't inadequate, in fact the opposite and could have everything in place when the team get a better understanding. But then again I am a glass half full type of person.

Fair play Spurs1985, what I am saying is we were 7th, 4th, 5th, 4th under harry and I for one was happy to enter another season with Harry even tho' he touted himself for the England job. We were building nicely as well as the new training ground and plans for the stadium (also the football was mostly entertaining and worth watching) why was AVB going to take us to the next level what credentials did he have to offer why couldn't we have had Harry for another couple of years or a manager with the same ethos attack is the best form of defence, we are Tottenham 36000 home support we ain't going to win the league but top 4/5 every season will do for a few years making money and building slowly playing good football - but now its boring and turning the fans and then AVB will f@@k off leaving us worse off!

Yoddo1972, agree on the most part with what your saying Harry seemed to be doing things right so why change? Well we did and hindsight is a wonderful thing.

But like you said earlier "let's see what happens with AVB"

Spurs1985,

All the stats read well in tottenhams favour as you point out, however stats don't win games goals do, and we just can not score, one stat you left out, which I believe is relevant is that Spurs although having most shots, have a lower conversion rate because we also have the most shots in the EPL from outside the area, which tells me we aren't creating goal scoring oppourtunities, just shooting on sight

THFC4EVER, I didn't directly mention the goals scored, no, but the conversion rate covers that I think.
I'm not completely oblivious to what is happening but my whole point was that with the players on the same wave length and with the statistics I mentioned we could In fact become an unstoppable side just a little patience is required. I think the people calling for AVB to be sacked lack abit of this patience.
Think back to the days when Sir Alex started with United, he was in the verge of the chop and well, the rest is history!