Spurs Banter Archive September 22 2014

 

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22 Sep 2014 20:34:54
As said on this site so many times Spurski, it's not the FFP rules which stop us from spending! ENIC is Lewis and Levy, and their interest is making money for them! They are not interested in the fan off the street, they are interested in profit and what's in it for them! Joe Lewis is roughly worth 4.2 billion dollars, and best of luck to him .
If he had Spurs in his heart, then he has a lot of companies that sponsorship could come from!!

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22 Sep 2014 23:24:34
As said on a reply to you earlier any deals involving owners parent companies will now be changed.

Man City was the example used when they afforded themselves a huge naming rights deal totally out of proportion to their then recent income.

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22 Sep 2014 13:14:47
gonna try and be a little more positive after yesterdays horror show . this is how I see our team ;
lloris
vertonghen as a left back, he may prefer centre defence but he's a better left back . kaboul and fazio in the centre with walker/dier at right back . giving us good attacking options at laft and right back .
strambouli sitting in front of the back 4 . ben davies ( don't believe davies is a natural defender, looks much better going forward ) on the left wing eriksen in the middle with lamela on the right and what i'd like to see tried is paulinho ( don't believe paulinho suits midfield, all his best stuff is in front of goal ) and soldado up front .
radical I know but it gives us more pace, more attacking options and a good spine to the team, cuts out all those players that let us down week after week and can't even pass a ball, that's why so few of our attacks actually have an end product, too many weak links .
whatever happens we have to stick by mauriccio .

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Rob hot, wouldn't play Paulinho even if he was our last midfielder standing, far to slow on the ball and with it! Agree with playing Davies on the left but I wouldn't play Kaboul at all, nor would I risk losing Verts by forcing him to left back!

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22 Sep 2014 19:42:00
My personal best XI would be

Lloris

Walker
Vertonghen
Fazio
Rose

Lamela
Capoue
Dembele
Eriksen

Soldado
Adebayor

Bench:

Vorm
Dier
Davies
Bentaleb
Townsend
Chadli
Kane

In a simple 4-4-2 system.

Some players haven't done enough to deserve a place in the squad. Lennon for example. Was great 5-6 years ago, but no progression.

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I wouldn't play Dembele haven't seen him do anything of note since he signed for us.

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We've got no creativity in the entire squad. We don't need an abundance of 6ft holding midfield players.
We had VDV, Modric, & Bale, & we never bought any players that look up when they have the ball. Ok possibly Eriksen. (When he turns up).

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23 Sep 2014 12:08:43
Lloris

kaboul/ dier Fazio vertonghen/
walker

chadli strombouli capoue eriksen

lamella
soldado
bench

davis
lennon
vorm
ade
townsend

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23 Sep 2014 13:52:43
@Yellow-Card .

I agree. because none of our managers have played him in the right position.

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22 Sep 2014 11:21:47
mopo needs to make big changes to the team on saturday. got to drop rose, chiriches, and maybe kaboul. bring in davies, vert and fazio. then in midfield bring in lennon also why not try lamela upfront I think he could do a job there.

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Sorry but not Lennon!

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Wow 3 people think Lennon should be in the starting Xi

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22 Sep 2014 09:10:33
Some very good Posts on here and I totally agree. Yesterday was the worst performance I have seen since the home game v Hammers last season.

I tell you what got me yesterday, don't know if any of you guys saw it. when the substitutions were made. The players going off were high fiving it with the bench!! like "good job guys well done"

And people on here dug Tom Sherwood out for digging out these players in public?

We are angry and fed up with this. Levy and Baldini and ENIC need to go. Its no point in blaming the coach, we have had several coaches, We have lost count.

Redknapp got lucky with Bale Modric and VDV.

Gareth, you have won the Champions League, you have played for Real Madrid so any chance you can come back in the Jan window please.

Because this squad is only going one place any time soon and that is the Championship!

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22 Sep 2014 03:05:23
Finally the tone on hear has become poisonous, its good to read. The coffee is being smelt at last. I've said it before all roads lead to Levy. A mass of average players, Franco Baldini earning millions a year. A stadium that still hasn't got the go ahead after 7years. Excuse after excuse every transfer window. This man has had a free pass for to long from some fans but even the Levy backers must realise he personally is the reason behind our rapid decline, and he is the rotten apple at Spurs. ENICs time is up and the least they could do is find a buyer whose name starts with sheikh.

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22 Sep 2014 16:38:57
Come back when you understand the ffpr, which I doubt you ever will.

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22 Sep 2014 19:29:29
Spurski the most deluded off them all. Why are you so defensive of Levy, is he your dad or your brother. Apart from a healthy balance sheet what is there to defend?

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Spurski, you keep prattling on about the ffp rules! The way I understand it is this roughly, it's about your income, ( sponsorship, tickets etc etc ) compared to your cost! What I also understand is ENIC IS OWNED BY Lewis, 71% and Levy 29% . Lewis is also the main investor in the TAVISTOCK group, which owns hundreds of companies of various sizes, including residential property company's, energy companies, resorts, restaurants, financial services etc etc . Now if Lewis really wanted to invest in Spurs, he could use any of these companies as separate sponsors . Over two hundred companies, half a million sponsorship from each, equals 100 million sponsorship each year, equals top quality players, keeping inside your FFP RULES!
YES OR NO!!

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22 Sep 2014 21:09:06
Thats it Davo and ffpr won't stand up anyway. What can they do, make you have a 21 man CL squad and maybe a fine, so what. They won't ban anyone because the TV companies and sponsers won't allow it. It was a stupid rule made up by Platini to stop english clubs dominating. there's no chance one of Englands or Europes heavyweights will ever get banned from CL because of Ffpr.

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22 Sep 2014 21:55:04
Davo, clubs are no longer allowed to do that ,Platini said something about it a few months ago. He used Man City and Etihad as an example.

Yes we were rubbish yesterday but its going to happen with a new manager and style, for me it was always going to be a transitional season.

I can't be bothered to defend Levy anymore on here, for me he has done a lot for spurs. Some of you whinge and moan all the time, yes its a banter page but it's tedious to hear anti Levy, Kane blah blah blah all the time.

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23 Sep 2014 00:55:32
Don't worry spurski there is some fans who do actually understand the reality of the world. Spend, spend, spend is the answer for some of these fans but they neglect to remember that it doesn't work that way. We spent 100mill and these people were still moaning. Southampton spent next to no money and look at them so far this year. Man u spent the most in Europe this year and look at them. The reality of it is we need to stand by our side and support our team instead of pointing fingers at everyone. These people say we need stability but then are the same people who called for AVB'S head when things weren't going so well. The word fickle comes to mind!

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1985, that's a crock of s***e! Southampton spent at least 50 million this year! As for us spending our 100 million, I don't think that's what's being moaned about . It's about Levy and his money wasting, his continual management changing, his total disregard of the fans, his failure to give the manager the backing he needs, to get the players the MANAGER WANTS, NOT THE PLAYERS THAT LEVY AND BALDINI WANTS . We were near the position that we only needed one or two players to make the CL consistently, so Levy then sells our best . We have never replaced Modric, will never ever replace Bale . These two players would have give us more seasons if we were playing CL, but thanks to lack of investment and our chairman pissing off every other chairman, we lost them! Levy has two things on his mind, a new stadium, a finish in the top six consistently equals a very good sales price equals lots of profit for him and Joe!

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23 Sep 2014 13:50:23
Davo How do you know who picks the players, obviously Levy has a say in it though. You really don't know what goes on. Shall we get Alan Sugar back?

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I'd like to believe that if the manager of the day wants a player then Baldini and Levy would try to make a deal. I'd also like to believe that if Baldini and/or Levy suggests a player and the manager of the day says no, then they would drop the idea.

One of the problems of the manager of the day syndrome is that we never have a plan for more than 9-18 months without a change of person responsible for the implementation and the end result is what we now have to deal with.

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23 Sep 2014 18:12:30
50mill in a record transfer year doesn't sound like a lot considering how much they received and the players they lost is it really, so wind your neck in mate.

AVB was signed as a coach not a manager so he was always going to have to work with what he was given, hence the signing of Baldini. This is all real simple stuff Davo.

These players you mentioned wanted to leave and Levy did a fantastic job getting good money for them. On top of that Modric was forced to stay on a season longer than he wanted did he not?

The constant sacking of managers you mention was also what the fans wanted so how was he wrong doing this? You yourself asked for AVB and Sherwood to get sacked so are you saying you are also wrong? Well I agree with you for once because you consistently are.

I also cannot understand how q business man like you claim to be doesn't understand that first and foremost profit needs to be made, or does your business just lose money constantly? If so that says a lot about your ability in your role!

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As a business man, spending £50 million isn't the same as spending next to nothing, if so I need to speak to my bank manager! You are right, first and foremost business's do need to make money, that's where we get the first problem here, is this really classed as a business? Haven't got proof of this, but if you spoke to most premier league owners, would they class having a team as a business, not sure most of them do it to make money . If that was the case they would invest it elsewhere . That brings us to another point, in business you have to keep up with the competitors or 1 - you tick along mid table with no ambition, waiting to be brought out to get the profit ( us under Lewis and Levy ) or 2 - you drop into the lower areas of your business sector and struggle against the stronger opposition around you .
Levy and co want it both ways, they want the glory, but not the cost . They know that week in week out, our fans will turn up whatever dross is served to them . They know they have a huge waiting list for season ticket holders, so that even if 50% of the holders didn't renew, they could replace them straight away .
As for Modric and bale wanting out, they have both said they left for champions league football! They knew they wouldn't get it at Spurs with the minimal investment that we had, so yes off they went . If we hadn't sold Bale and used that money, how much do you think we would have spent that season?
You then state AVB was a coach not a manager, so Baldini was brought in to oversee transfers . Fair enough, but he was brought in by Levy, wasted £75 million of that money, so who do we blame? Add to that, who employed Hoddle, Ramos, Santini, Pleat, Sherwood, AVB, then paid a fortune to get rid of them . Nine managers in 13 years, that's pretty good for business! You also state that we wanted him to sack Sherwood and AVB . If AVB had been backed, he would still be there . As for Sherwood who even wanted him? A typical tight arse move! Who has overseen the seven year failure to get a new ground, and it's still not started! Who spent millions trying to get us into the Olympic park and couldn't even manage that . We hear it all the time, what a wonderful business man Levy is, maybe, maybe not!

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23 Sep 2014 20:31:02
Yellow-card, your spot on there about the planning but as spurs85 says the sackings was what the fans wanted and most were neceasary and obvious. The only sacking I disagreed with was Martin Jol.

There is a long term plan in place though and that is the development squad and this was a big factor in getting the training centre built. Its one of the best in world sport let alone world football.

Levy and Lewis will also deliver us (even if Lewis sells) an amazing stadium and all this under ffpr's!

Would be nice to have the top top players but we can't afford their wages for starters so players like Eriksen, Vertonghen, Lamela and Lloris isn't that bad.

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23 Sep 2014 21:05:23
Next to nothing compared to how much they received is what I was obviously saying. Also in a year when the epl spent a record amount on transfer fee's. Both combined shows teams do not need to spend big to be a success. They lost very good players but are still doing very well compared to us losing one player and going backwards after spending 100mill on players. As I write this they are beating them across the road.

Do you honestly belive that? You honestly think MOST chairman are not in it for the money? Tell me then how many of the 20 epl teams made a loss last year? Yes keep up with your competitors but within your resources not beyond them otherwise your just being plain stupid with your finances, which is always bad for business.

Yes they did both claim they wanted to leave for champions league football but c'mon surely you are not that naive? The money and the chance to play for a club like Madrid is so obviously the real reason. Don't believe everything you hear and read. Look at the facts and make your own mind up. If we had gotten cl football they would've still left. United had cl football but Ronaldo still left did he not?

Do you think I care how much we would've spent if we hadn't sold Bale seeing as my point is you do not need to spend money to get success?

If AVB had been backed he'd still be here? Are you telling me that 100mill in one season was not enough of a backing? How much should we have spent in you opinion? The only people who didn't back him were the fans, as soon as we wasn't playing well the fans got on his back demanding better. Demanding instant success instead of having patience and letting him build something special in the future. We are not a top four side but have the expectations of such and most fans cannot accept that.

Levy has made some mistakes granted but every human being has but with you he cannot do anything right he is the poison in our club in your opinion and that blinds you in every aspect of your arguments and causes you to have tunnel vision. Be careful what you wish for, better the devil you know is a very true statement in this case. Who knows what we could end up with if he was to leave!

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A Chairman that reverses his decisions based on "what the fans want" - that's a little scary. He is responsible for making decisions and running a business that happens to be a football club.

There in is the conundrum ENIC is running a successful business which has not translated into much success for the football club over the last 13 years.

If they get close to the rumored one billion for the business they have been incredibly successful business men, again, of that there is no question.

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23 Sep 2014 22:25:48
I agree yellow-card it isn't ideal but if the fans are not happy then that brings along with it a bad atmosphere which in turn brings down the morale of the players which has an effect on the way they play so makes it harder for the manager to get results as well as the respect of the players.

Depends how you measure success I suppose. Only 1 team can win the league, only 1 team can win the fa cup, only 1 team can win the league cup, only 1 team can win the europa league and only 1 team can win the champions league. Out of all them competitions the best odds we have is with the league as there's a 1 in 20 chance of winning that competition and sorry to disappoint you, we just are not good enough to win it. If you were to say that a epl team was to win each of those competitions then that still leaves 15 teams in the league without a cup at the end of the season. Simply put we have more chance of failure than success, if that's how you measure success that is. Now another way you could look at it is we still exist as a epl side, we are always (in recent years, since owned by ENIC I must add) at the right end of the table. We are financially stable as a club and we have the ability to attract good quality players to our team. Now I'm not saying I wouldn't love for us to win a cup, I celebrated the league cup victory as much as the next fan but you need to be realistic and accept there is better teams out there who will get the trophies. Fans need to learn to enjoy being a part of this great club instead of thinking they have some divine right to say how it should be run because they attend a few games, buy a shirt for over the top prices or have a season ticket, because this is their decision and nobody is forcing them to spend their hard earned cash in such a way.

If Lewis does decide to sell for the rumoured amount then perhaps that would prove they were only in it for the money, if they turn it down does that then suggest the opposite in your opinion?

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Yellow card, that is true . The team we support is a successful business but it has left us as a club with very little going for it . Yes I am blinded by the fact that I want a successful club, but that's never going to happen under Levy and his pals! By this time next week, we could be as low as 12th in the league, not good emough!

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It's all based on rumor and speculation of course. But the billion is a number that Lewis has supposedly put out there as his selling price.

Therefore, the business is for sale at a price to be agreed with Lewis opening the negotiations at one billion.

I don't care what it is, a car, a player, a business, a football club . once you name a price it is for sale. Now the challenge is finding a buyer at a price that you can accept close to your asking price.

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23 Sep 2014 23:26:37
Well as I understand it the offer is around 1 billion but Lewis is unwilling to sell at any price but as you rightly say it is all based on rumours and speculation so unless it actually happens none of us can claim to be in the know, apart from the all seeing oracle of course

Yes we could be as low as 12th, correct but seriously who pays any attention to the league at this point of the season? A few years back we were 3rd challenging for the league at Christmas and ended up 5th. What a difference half a season can make.

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23 Sep 2014 23:34:32
Excellent Davo, that is one of this sites all time top draw posts. How anyone can argue against what you say, its misguided loyalty. The same ones who say just smile and accept the likes of Rose and Kane, don't dare be critical of them, they wear a Spurs shirt so just go along with it. 1985 we don't need to spend money, stick with what we got, are you for real? Its rock bottom so just start from scratch again, wholesale changes are needed and Poch is probaly realising this, its clearly going to be a transitional year. The players are not good enough but just stick with them anyway, brilliant thinking. Who employed Avb, Sherwood and Baldini? Who sacked Harry? Who gave Harry, Saha on the brink of a title challenge? Levy constantly pokes his nose into team matters and has done for 12 years. Since when does a coach and DoF work in the Uk yet Levy persists with this. THFC is ENICs cash cow so why defend Levy?

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Based on the official, legal, club announcements I forget the exact wording but no offer has been made and no discussion is currently active in respect to an acquisition or merger.

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24 Sep 2014 07:19:04
Lucas learn to read before you reply mate as I didn't say we we shouldn't spend money just that spending money is not necessarily going to solve our problems. Do you not see we've tried everything but back the manager? We have spent good money and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

No matter what we've done in recent years it hasn't worked the only thing we haven't tried is to stick by a manager and let him build something for the future. I'm done now with this as it's like talking to a brick wall. Some of you just want someone to blame for us not actually being good enough to be a top four side. Well we are not, the fact we are there fighting for a place amongst the elite is because we are being run well. But I don't expect you to understand.

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1985, Spurski, we all want what's best for our club but we all look at it from different angles . We are all going to blame someone, for different reasons . The fact that the Eds give us this page helps us to vent it here and not at the Lane, is bloody ideal but these different views prove one thing, we all want what's best for our club .

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24 Sep 2014 17:48:05
Very true Davo, 1 thing is for sure it's been a very interesting debate. Let's hope whatever happens it's for the best of the club we all love.

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