Spurs Banter Archive December 20 2013

 

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20 Dec 2013 13:41:51
Well unfortunately Chris hughton has ruled himself out of the running for the spurs job. Guess we'll have to rehire AVB then!

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I think levy is getting a bit of an abramovic reputation.
Managers will turn us down now because we are getting known as a sacking club.
The difference between us and the chavs is that they can offer pots of money and success to a potential new manager before sacking him.
I personally think we are a bit up sh*t creek now regarding a new manager and levy has paddled us right up there.
I have no idea now who will lead us in the new year and I for one, am very
worried. We are a bit of a laughing stock.

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20 Dec 2013 12:53:36
Mr G,

You're consistently posting that you want Levy out and Lewis to sell up.
Who would you like to see take over, some one like the Glazers who'll burden us with debt. Or maybe someone like Tan at Cardiff - change our kit to red and (potentially) sack the manager on a whim. Or maybe someone like the Hull owner - it'll be the Tottenham Cockerels (or a shorter version perhaps) next season!
The running of the club and our league positions have improved since ENIC & Levy's involvement, you'd be blind not to see it.
You've bleated on for ages about Levy not spending and when he does, you're still not happy.
I'm guessing you'll never be happy - but be careful what you wish for.
As for having 'Arry back - please, really!

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Well said Wembley yid! Finally a spurs fan with some positivity! Some of the posts on here recently are that negative that I've wanted to slit my wrists!

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4th, 5th, 4th, 5th - very consistent lately. It is just very frustrating that it could and very much should have been 4th, 5th, 3rd, 4th, we had huge chances that we totally blew away. It would have mean being established as a Champions League club by now, who knows who might have stayed or signed. The right relatively minor investment at the right times would've sealed it.

Anyway, agree with Wembley person to a certain extent except, Levy has re-invested the funds realised in the summer, yes he's spent it but he hasn't spent it if you know what I mean.

We swapped £100m+ of market value worth of players for £100m+ of market value worth of players. Despite all the other nuances about how it was right or wrong, those are the figures. People go on about wages but, I doubt the wage bill has got much bigger because the players released and sold weren't all cheap earners and we've not made a string of £80-100k a week signings I don't think.

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To all the above. It's easy to point out the not so good chairman at clubs. He has only invested in what he has brought in and made a profit. Also look at Liverpool owner 200k a week bumper deal for their best player as they see how important it is to keep the best also they hire a manager put trust in him and let him buy who he wants within reason and backs him. Levy is not doing things at spurs for the love of the club. It's a money making club to them and that's it.Every quality player we have ever had at spurs have been sold for a profit. The players brought in all came with re sell value. Haha lucky for is they are not producing so no 30mil bid for eriksen ATM. Tell me what they have done. They bought a missive club at a bargain price. Buy players and sell then on for huge profit. Face it levy is out of his depth and kissing it slowly. Times have changed there is a lot of money around in prem now.

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Yid remember what I wish for??
I never wish for Martin or Harry to be sacked I didn't wish for berba, modder, bale etc to be sold
The chairman mentioned above no better or worse the levy
What positive or when has he ever stuck his neck out for spurs
Forget the sheiks and rom
Bk the Everton and Wigan chairman/ owners hat of to them Everton still got Barnes etc and spent money they dnt really have and backed moyes for year

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Have to say I can see both sides of the arguement from Wembley & Mr G. What I would say is AVB signed up as head coach not manager, so there's no point him complaining about not wanting certain players, he knew what he signed up for.
I think whoever takes over would be a fool to not have the title of Manager with a certain level of control over incomings & outgoings. Who is Levy to tell AVB what formation or player to pick, he's a business man not a football man & is not qualified to judge players or tactics. If Andre wanted ADE out of the squad he should be gone or not part of first team squad, if you allow players who are disruptive or working against you, your doomed.
Levy needs to butt out of team affairs & stick to the business side of the club, in fact he has shown he can't pick a manager, so if it was me I'd relieve him of that duty if I was Joe Lewis, let a panel of Baldini, Mabbut, Ardiles, Pleat decide instead or someone qualified to judge managers.
Overall there's a lot of things Levy has done well & we have made great strides as a club, although he is quilty of jumping from 1 strategy to the next ( from English players to foreign) ( DOF 2 not 2 Dof)(experienced Manager 2young coach2?). Stick to a strategy & stop jumping from 1 to the other.
We are not a massive club MrG, we are a big club not a massive 1, so we need to asses Levy on that basis, Should Levy go? Definately not IMO, sometimes it's better the Devil you know.

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Liverpool and their "bumber deal" is just a ploy to get as much as they can from a potential transfer, he will still go. Bale signed a new 4 year deal a year before we sold him. I'm sure that you were one of the fans saying that we had to sell him for that price, who wasn't?

Think the AVB sacking is a mistake as he can't be fully responsible and I think he was very intellegent and the players seemed to love him (Apart from the Judas's),

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20 Dec 2013 12:52:35
Pochettino!? Another real gamble. Southampton look good and well organised but again it's a short-term thing and remains to be seen about the longer term results and his real effect. There is often an unexpected, over-performing team crop up early each season; Hull, Fulham, Swansea, West Brom have all done it recently. Also, they have been producing quality young players for some time so, could mainly be about that benefit being realised yet again and/or that they have spent some serious money by their standards.

De Boer. Maybe. Very experienced in football, already at a club with big expectations and, has managed Champions League, wants to play attractive football. It's a big move to the Premier League for even the biggest names if they've not managed in it before though and, seems he doesn't necessarily want to come!

Hoddle. Just a romantic and nostalgic choice? Hard to tell, maybe football coaching/managing is more suited to the Hoddle way these days and maybe he's learnt from previous non-football issues and man-management over the past 10years or so. Not impossible and, he definitely has a great footballing brain and even the press may be easier on him these days. A horrible disaster if it goes wrong again though, mind you, we're already a laughing stock yet again.

Sherwood. Is this any more of a gamble than anybody mentioned? Not really. Expectations would be tempered and having a 'repair' job to do may buy him some time. Knows the club and players already and, despite the result Wednesday, we should've buried them in the first half and he got it right for that, it just wasn't executed - the ball wouldn't go in. The team was very short handed defensively and it was exploited in the last 10minutes. Could it be any worse than bringing in a foreign 'nobody'?

Martinez - just wanted to mention again that we missed the boat with him big-time. Up and coming foreign manager, gets the best out of limited resources whilst trying to play good football, has sold players on for big money and managed to deal with it. Yes Wigan were relegated but they were always punching above their weight and he kept re-building and won the FA Cup! So annoying we didn't get him given we went for AVB!

Hiddink - if only, won't happen but i'd be very happy if he came in for the season.

Benitez - can't stand him really and there has been lots of negative football from him at times BUT, he does sure teams up generally and we need that. He has won things, in fact he has won the ultimate club trophy. He is very experienced and could be tempted because he likes England. Under immense pressure he dragged Chelsea over the line with silverware and top 4 when they were looking really poor. Might not be a popular choice but, even that's something he could deal with no problem given what he went through with Chelsea!?

Capello - hugely experienced but definitely won't play 'the Spurs way' for a while however, results are key for us going forward for now. It's not going to be easy to get those and be playing how we want to overnight. Capello would 'open-up' later i'm sure once stability was realised and the players were up to pace in the league, the style would get better. Knows Baldini well so should be no problems there. However, does he have the drive to come back into high-pressure, intense club football day-to-day again? The next World Cup is in Russia, he could carry on until then and retire, very well paid already I'm sure. I don't think he has enough to lose if he doesn't succeed with us.

Laudrup - jury might still be out a bit due to Swansea seemingly dipping in form since the League Cup win but, I think they definitely switched off after that (which he can learn from) with a trophy and safety assured. This year they've also been a bit indifferent but. Europa League. messes with everybody. Great win against Valencia, Michu off the pace and Bony hit and miss or injured. Has been dealing with challenges well overall and they play decent football under him still. I wouldn't be disappointed but for some reason I think he would be under pressure to deliver fairly quickly by us going down 'that route' again.

One more bonkers mention.Alan Pardew. Ok, stop screaming, just worth mentioning that he led Newcastle to 5th, has ridden out a lot of stick and had various transfer sagas to overcome, they struggled last year but I would say the good old Europa League affected them - it always affects teams playing Thursday/Sunday, even us after a few years. Now they seem to be getting back to reasonable form overall having bedded in some new players. He's done a good job for them, he knows the league, has turned over the top 4 teams before, very committed and won't be intimidated by anybody.

If all were possible i'd probably go for (in order but some very close choices so a bit blurred for me in places)

Martinez (no go)
Hiddink (very much doubt it)
Laudrup (tough to get from Swansea)
Benitez (maybe?)
Sherwood (easy)
De Boer (said no already apparently)
Capello (expensive!)
Hoddle (would love it to work)
Pardew (would do ok)
Pochettino (no)

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20 Dec 2013 14:52:59
What about ralf rangnick?

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Yes, depending on his health he could be an option.

Not an exhaustive list above obviously. There's also Murat Yakin and, a favourite of mine but not mentioned as I think it'd be total wishful thinking is Diego Simone - he's still in the Champions League and high in La Liga so no chance. He would probably be my absolute number one choice if he would come.

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22 Dec 2013 15:47:28
Simmo,

Fair point on simeone, I agree he is very unlikely to leave the club he loves bit like klopp I guess. My wish list would be (optimisically) :
1st- klopp
2nd- simeone
3rd-rangnick
4th- sherwood( end of the season trial)

All these managers would be characters which are passionate and favour attacking football which is what is needed to appease the fans.

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20 Dec 2013 00:13:35
Ajax manager frank de boer is daniel levy's no.1 choice to be the new tottenham hotspur manager, what do you think fellow spurs fans?Would de boer be your choice & how highly do you rate him as a manager?Is he the right man for us and if not who would be your no.1 choice to be our next manager?

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He said last night he's not interested I think?

cant blame him tbh Ajax are arguably a bigger club

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