Spurs Banter Archive November 11 2014

11 Nov 2014 22:15:25
Although I don't agree with or like the way 1985 is putting across his point of cheering on the boys, I do agree to a certain extent. My reasoning is that now the dismay of the the fans has been clearly and may I add RIGHTLY shown to the players, board, manager; the whole world for that matter, a renewed sense of patience at the Lane would be best to achieve what we as Spurs fans all want; better performances, more desire. After all, I think what we can all agree on is that support aids player performance and thier desire to help the club. But please, I'm not asking Davo to bring out his 'I love you Ade' banner just yet (they are millionaires that get ridiculous benefits for a job that is thier passion i.e the dream and yet still act like entitled kids), let's just give them the opportunity to rise up to our demands without the impact of an abusive home.

I think most of us agree in principle with 1985.

But if someone can explain to me how one cheers for the performance delivered during the first half against Stoke I'm all in.

Obviously we don't cheer such a performance, but we should try to rid the lane of the ominous tension in the air present before the players even touch the ball.

12 Nov 2014 11:03:04
Its going to be on the players minds now, no matter what happens the players are expected to perform. If they are too weak to handle it then bye bye.

If the players show up every game like the fans the atmosphere will improve.

We're not asking them to win every game, 3 passes strung together would be progress at the moment.

This talk of dissatisfaction is total nonsense. We knew that Poch was a totally different manager to the ones that went before us. We knew that we were a team of confused players. We knew that it would take time.

Often you have to go backwards before you can go forwards. A new manager and a new style takes time; maybe as much as 2 years. It's not even a case of getting in the players the manager wants as much as getting the culture and the style right so that new players see and emulate the others.

We complain about the chop and change nature of Levy but then when the first 3 months hasn't gone to our liking we start showing unrest. This year is a write off, it always was. Expect nothing. Start judging Poch on next year's results.

Poshspur, I loved Ade when AVB WAS HERE, AS FAR AWAY FROM MY TEAM AS POSSIBLE!

Spot on Wulf, if anyone's blind passion leads them to think otherwise they are gunna have a tough few years

For the most part there hasn't been to much of a call for MoPo' head in the recent discourse here. Questions of the best way to accomplish what he is trying to do maybe, but very few calls to replace him.

The crux of the dissatisfaction has been the lack of commitment and effort by players and the fans impact on that. Understandng the 2 steps forward 1 step back, did anyone expect to witness such abject performances from highly paid professionals? I doubt it.

But that is part of my point YC; it takes time for the players to learn the new system. Professional football is an incredibly fast game where fractions of a second separate the winners from the losers. That means that decisions need to be instinctive.

If players are caught in 2 minds then they will look slow. If one player does things the new way and another does not then it looks like they are not a team. This is the same as when BR went to Liverpool and you had players making strange passes that cost them goals. They understood what they had to do but it was not yet instinctive so they made mistakes. But over time the instincts came and the mistakes stopped.

Lack of instincts is nothing to do with effort or leadership or caring. It takes time to embed. The players look confused, and that is exactly what we should have been expecting after just a few months.

Wulff, a lot of what you say makes good sense and I fully agree.

But the collective team pressing was more evident, in brief moments, earlier in the short season than it is now.

The players look more confused and according to the team spokes person, Ade, are struggling to understand what the manager wants and how to implement that on the field. If you don't understand what he wants after 3 months when will you?

It's one thing for it not to be instinctive, it's another for it not to be understood.

11 Nov 2014 19:13:35
Jumping on the bandwagon, spurski affraid not mate been saying problems at the lane for a long time player power and alter egos, players not interested and showing no effort a boil that needs lancing and its all coming out now, players concerned about not been let go from contracts because they might loose or not get what they want, spurs full of rotten apples has been for a long time you can put any spin on it the way you want I am Tottenham through and through and no there's a problem not jumping on any bandwagon want mopo to succeed but writing was on the wall from day one unless he tackled the issues he was a dead man walking and from the rumblings in the press which they all use, the cleansing period has begun and mopo is fighting to clear the lane and succeed good for him, and some of the primadonners are rattled and so they should be . Anyone who thinks all is fine wants sectioning

11 Nov 2014 18:28:20
how can adebayor moan about spurs fans at home games. we have lost 4 from 6 against poor teams and the players are not putting a shift in. this man is a arrogant so and so. he has been waved off from arsenal , city and madrid for his work rate and attitude.also how many spurs fans would love to see klinsmann at the lane in the future he could be great for us

11 Nov 2014 19:41:03
But he also said he was talking on behalf of the team. It's not just his arrogance then is it? The team feel uncomfortable playing at our own ground, that really is a depressing thought but oh well it's the damn ball boys fault we are rubbish anyway.

And yet the younger players keep showing up and putting a shift in despite being less skilled and experienced that our highly paid underperforming stars.

And you expect us to believe that lazy mercenary do you, 1985?

11 Nov 2014 22:34:02
I don't expect you to believe anything that goes against what you all already believe because I know you don't want to hear anything that means it's not the players/managers/boards fault. Just to be clear I to think Ade is a lazy mercenary but I'm open to other views so will listen if it makes sense. The players look nervous at home so I can go with what he's saying.

The word kettle comes to mind.

There is no way the players/management/board are not at fault. Are the fans becoming a contributor - very probably.

11 Nov 2014 06:17:35
1985, perhaps you should read what a great striker, Klinsman, says in the paper!
It goes something like this ;
You can understand the reaction of the crowd . Everything starts on the pitch and works its way out, finishing in the crowd!

11 Nov 2014 07:44:19
Yes no doubt Davo, of course if the team performs well it's easy to support them. It's when things are not going well the players and fans need to up their game. Why because the players cannot perform do we need to follow suit? Do we not support the team through thick and thin? Or just when the going is good? I'm obviously just a Muppet who thinks that regardless of how others perform I still perform to the best of my ability. When will I learn to be one of the moaning old sheep out there a?

You all go on about a lack of fight on the pitch and say how unacceptable it is then claim the lack of fight in the stands is acceptable, the mind boggles.

11 Nov 2014 10:07:47
I have read it now Davo and he goes onto say that Mopo will need time. Atleast 2 years he said. Funny you neglected to mention that part. He also says that it's the unfortunate pressure from the club, media and FANS that make it difficult if results are not immediate.

FANS want results yes. FANS also want to see progress and commitment from the players that represent the club.

11+ games into this season, the commitment has evaporated and the performance of the players has regressed.

The second half in Tripoli and first half against Stoke were beyond abysmal. We were played off the park - well actually we didn't actually play football by any definition I understand.

At the point a team shows such little effort and lack of concept of the games basic traits the FANS are going to let them know, because someone sure as hell needs to seriously kick them in the rear.

1985, I have never said that Mopo should be sacked . And have never said that he shouldn't be given time! What I have said is that after 3 months he should know the basis of his team and which players he should use . I have also said that changing 6 to 10 players every game is ridiculous and why does he do it! I have also said he should grow some balls and tell Levy, Baldini and the players who is in charge? But sack him, not me!!