Spurs Banter Archive June 11 2011

11 Jun 2011 19:44:48
LFC fan here. Look, I'm not looking to wind anybody up or cause trouble. I just have a simple question for you Spurs fans and eds.

You guys talk about signing players like Aguero, Hulk, Rossi etc.
Now tell me, with respect, what is it that Spurs have which Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manure and City, Bayern, Milan, Juve, Inter don't that would make Hulk/Mata/Rossi leave their current clubs (fairly big and prestigious and far enjoy far more recognition thatn Spurs) and choose you over the aforementioned clubs?

You:
- a) your global prestige and recognition is relatively inferior
-b) have a small, low-grade stadia
-c) don't pay huge wages
-d) have a manager with no prestige and the impressive of track records
-e) your prospects for Champions League football and sustained success are rather low, very low.

City and Chelsea's financial muscle will see to it that they compete for and attain some of the best players around.
Arsenal and Manure have CL footy, the appeal and money.

Liverpool, in spite of our recent troubles and lack of CL, we enjoy massive recognition and prestige.
(The fact that world class players such Mata and Benzema {winter} are keen on us is testament enough).
We also can and do pay pretty big wages compared to Spurs.

Spurs, on the other hand, haven't neither a) the prestige and global recognition nor a) the financial muscle to offset a by offering huge wages (la City).

So I just wanna know from you lot, what's you USP. What is it that would see Rossi/Aguero/Llorente/Hulk jump at the chance to play for your team?

An sensible response which fully and intelligently address what I've raised above would very much be appreciated.

Hmmm, so many points raised. If I may start with the financial muscle bit. I think its fair to say that we lack the financial clout to compete at the very top end of the spectrum, however, its also true to say that, as im 41,000 odd on the season ticket waiting list with countless other poor souls behind us, the prognosis is excellent regarding potential income when the new stadium is finally built. The facts are out there, in terms of financial clout we are in the top twenty clubs in the world, all more profitable above us have bigger stadiums, not neccessarily global image! I also feel, respectfully, that you are over egging the "Global Brand bit" Dont believe that Pool are any more of a Global "brand" as we are. Global branding requires hugely successful marketing and, quite honestly, the Man utds of this world have been able to do that in Asia on the back of huge domestic and European successess. The Spanish have South America tied up which doesn't leave an awful lot left. Liverpools prestige can only last for a generation, if Liverpool had had the same success as Utd over the lifetime of the premiership, you too would now enjoy being a "Global" product. Lets put it another way, I was born a few years after Spurs won the double, my kids were born decades later. Can my kids understand that Spurs were once a powerful English club, powerful in Europe too? Not without history lessons they can't and its the same for Liverpool, people understanding its history. That doesn't make it more prestigeous tho. Tottenham around the World? I suppose our exploits in the 60s would have made us well known, the 70s a bit less so, the 80s known again. . I think you are doing Football supporters around the world a great disservice if you truly think that Liverpool are "better known". The barman at my tunisian hotel last year knew exactly who i supported by my tattoo which had no name under it to prompt him. I suppose if a barman in Africa knew Spurs, a train driver in Buenos Aires would do too?
Ive run out of puff now, will respond further when ive had a good think.
Super Yid {Ed008's Note - I think Spurs won this debate :D

Truly Breathtaking.

Azza

So many points raised. If I may start with the financial muscle bit. I think its fair to say that we lack the financial clout to compete at the very top end of the spectrum, however, its also true to say that, as im 41,000 odd on the season ticket waiting list with countless other poor souls behind us, the prognosis is excellent regarding potential income when the new stadium is finally built. The facts are out there, in terms of financial clout we are in the top twenty clubs in the world, all more profitable above us have bigger stadiums, not neccessarily global image! I also feel, respectfully, that you are over egging the "Global Brand bit" Dont believe that Pool are any more of a Global "brand" as we are. Global branding requires hugely successful marketing and, quite honestly, the Man utds of this world have been able to do that in Asia on the back of huge domestic and European successess. The Spanish have South America tied up which doesn't leave an awful lot left. Liverpools prestige can only last for a generation, if Liverpool had had the same success as Utd over the lifetime of the premiership, you too would now enjoy being a "Global" product. Lets put it another way, I was born a few years after Spurs won the double, my kids were born decades later. Can my kids understand that Spurs were once a powerful English club, powerful in Europe too? Not without history lessons they can't and its the same for Liverpool, people understanding its history. That doesn't make it more prestigeous tho. Tottenham around the World? I suppose our exploits in the 60s would have made us well known, the 70s a bit less so, the 80s known again. . I think you are doing Football supporters around the world a great disservice if you truly think that Liverpool are "better known". The barman at my tunisian hotel last year knew exactly who i supported by my tattoo which had no name under it to prompt him. I suppose if a barman in Africa knew Spurs, a train driver in Buenos Aires would do too?
Ive run out of puff now, will respond further when ive had a good think.
Super yod {Ed008's Note - I think Spurs won this debate :D

bull s**tttt. . u spud guys, never never never realize ur not that big. .

only 1 thing i would ask. . u denied that lfc punks argument. in defence u said

1. spuds r in top 20 .globally . . .thhat is what he is saying. . .

even in top 20. . . all big teams . .r ranked above u. .

for eg. . .why would mata leave villencia . . for spurs. . villencia is much more reputed . then spurs around the world. .

2. u talked abt . . 41,000 odd on tickets. . lol ur in top6 clubs here . n all of them enjoy such support. at home any club would small or big. . we r talking abt . .worldwide. .

again with a simple eg. i can prove where spuds belong. .i live here in india. in mumbai . .n im big big epl junky . like u . .i regularly play football in our clubs. .

i have
1 fab
2 ronaldo both manu n real
1 xavi
2 torres shirts . .

n all of my frnds have many. .u must be also having. . .but in my entire life. . .28 years i have. . * never ever seen a guy wear a tottenham shirt. .not even in the malls.*. . that's coz all manu pool arsenal. .barca . real even ac milan n inter juve . .have worldwide fan base . . .i respect spurs n like that fast pacey football u play better than citys negative play but still u need to do it year n year out to be that big.

u laugh at liverpool. .no win no champions league.

u laugh at arsenal. .last 6 year no trophy. .but still from last many many years they r there . without trophy or not maintainig that top level isn't easy. that's y they r big

u laugh at them n look what happen to u. .a flash in the pan. u made it to cham. league but couldnt hold it more than a year n u laugh at them. .

its ur luck yes luck . .that u got vdv
and madric.bale(i don't think hes that good but still). like players . . only becoz ur then director . comolli(spell?) i dentified the talents n brought them before the became stars . .or even they would have thought abt others . .

n rest of ur so called star. i mean look at u

a forward line of (defou crouch n pav ) lol n u want to be world beaters .

goalkeeper like gomez

lennon . u talk abt him soo much. the guy couldnt get a cross for rooney in ur worldcup. milner did . lennon is. just run run run

I can't make out if your a Gooner, Scouser or Manure supporter! You have so many shirts why. .

Because you ain't a proper supporter of any team (glory hunter me thinks),
at least the original Scouser tried to get his point across without slagging us off every line, which I respect him for.

You say you 'respect the way we play', well that's good for me and any real footballers who love the game more than money will realise what we CAN achieve in the FUTURE. . .and hopefully opt to get involved.

As for Lennon not providing any crosses to Rooney at the world cup. . . . .don't mean nothing mate, Rooney was friggin' pants at the WC (much have been watching a different WC in India)

Kalrez

It doesn't need to be a stupid .single minded so called supporter to know abt football . .

n strictly i said i respect spuds for that football (monkey boy-modric-vdv play)

all r out bound. . . . so where is the f***in* future comes from.

ur so called arry . .is replacing them with cole -parker (wow two uncles)

. .fact is u have achived ur best . . as arry said. .no way forword . .only down hill. . byeee

I can't make out if your a Gooner, Scouser or Manure supporter!
You have so many shirts why. . .

yes i do have. . n many football fans have these collections .
.around the world of. well known . .well decorated. .
clubs n their players . .

.but nobody wears a totty shirt. .fuc* no body even sells it. .no one knows who the hell spuds r . .except in london .

11 Jun 2011 18:57:05
Great players don't always good to clubs just because of they have champs league (look at suarez) what does worry me is Harrys big show of asking levy to get 3 fantastic players and all we seem to be linked with is players who are average to good But not great! some one should grab harry and shake him till he realises we are TOTTENHAM BLOODY HOTSPUR and not portsmouth or westham! but my main concern is we keep hearing of bids being rejected (is are whole transfer policy making low bids so when we don't sign anyone we can say at least we tried?). the reality is we are one of the better of clubs financialy and tbh £10 mill does not go far in todays market, all the clubs we are competing with are trying to sign great players. If we don't try now to improve our squad when the competition are how are we going to compete for 3rd/4th/5th place next season? i want us to be back in the champs league and not just another mid table team i hope levy feels the same. but we must not let are best players go and the best way to show them we are serious about champs league next season we need to sign the players to get there! P.s Harry crouch might be a great lad but hes a s**t footballer and he should realise that capello dropped him cos hes had a s**t season and not go moaning to the papers. for me crouch would be the first one out the door! ! cummon levy show us your ambition for the club. COYS

Agreed, have to agree with you Sir. Personally, i think its an utterly pointless excersize in giving Harry any real money to spend if he is only goingt to be at the club for one more season. Moreover, he considers us all a buch of c*cks for daring to suggest that we had a s**te run in last season which cost us 4th. May i remind you all not to ring any phone ins ( 5 live etc) and complain about the team last season or Harry will, once again, tell you that you are idiots. There is the rub really, Harry thinks we couldnt have done any better and us "know f**k all" supporters who have bankrolled one of the best squads in Europe, let alone the Premiership, think we could have done a damn sight better! I suppose, under those circumstances, knowing that we will all be around supporting the club long after he has f**ked off back to Sandbanks for a much deserved retirement, perhaps Levy ought to be paying him off, showing him the door and getting somebody else in who would consider anything less than top four as a total failure! You know what we want, a manager that gets out of his seat after a few mins and stands in the technical box for the rest of the match shouting, screaming, encouraging, and cajolling his team instead of sitting on his arse for 90mins pulling faces. . . Someone with a bit of passion basically!
Super yid

Agreed. Two quality posts.

Azza

11 Jun 2011 18:44:40
"Directly from the ESPN website, diaby has admitted he wears a spurs jersey around the house and that it was given to him by his french team mate kaboul. ."

I think he got mis-quoted. I actually think he said something like. .

"While cleaning up around the house i like to USE a spurs shirt."

I mean, they are ideal for wiping skids in the toilet with of washing the floor with!

Cammy out!

How long did it take you to think that one up? Must have been a fair while, that story is is well past its sell by date. Tip: it would have all gone so well for you if you had, instead, told us all about Nasri who just can't help but slip on a Man Utd shirt, Fabregas who utterly adores the barca stripes and Van Persie who is currently out shopping for another shirt he can "wear around the house." Why do so many Gooners want to wear the shirt of another club? : )Super Yid

11 Jun 2011 16:23:00
If Modric is to go to Man City id try and get silva in the deal.

Arghhhhhhhhhh! ! ! ! ! ! !
Ok, ive calmed down now. Why exactly would we sell to our rival one of the best midfield players in the World ( he must be, he has been linked to everybody and their cat) and take in P EX a player that doesn't play in the same way? Ive even read some utter, utter bilge about Modric being sold and us buying Diarra! What planet are people living on? I thought we were supposed to be pushing on but, clearly, some people think its a step up getting Diarra?!? How can you talk about weakening your engine room but strengthening your attack? Im just gobsmacked. . .
Silva? City won't be selling him! They have this idea of keeping their best players and we should have the idea that we don't sell ours to them!

Lols. .thats how stupus a spud fan is. . don't blame me everyone says so

. if modric goes get silva. .
lol r u nuts. .silva is something different.
his passing.touch r trademark spin style

coz he is at city n all think like hmm another of citys big money boy
he hasnt been that much praised

.if had he been at man u or pool or chevesky. .would have be praised so much

modric is talented n very good but. .silva is pure class . .dont compaire both.

aruound 99% of citys play goes through silva n y would they sell. niether they need to

Why would they want Modric if Silva is that good?? they are are the same type of player, nevermind spins and jonny dragbacks they are creative attacking midfielders and Modric being the player who's had a better season hence the attention he's getting.

11 Jun 2011 16:01:59
Guys, i have the best idea here:

buy. .nasri!

seriously, this guy is class, can play on the wing, a mini-ronaldo, and comes at a discount of half price due to the gooners being unnable to give him a new contract!

we could have our midfield of:

modric-vdv-nasri-bale

and bale and nasri can switch sides, with bale coming in with his pace. what do you think?

is nasri worth the money? or are we better off buying sanchez/neymar?

nasri in a spurs shirt. .my personal fantasy.

We have sandro. a quality player who can defend. we don't need nasri and we shouldn't have an all out attacking midfield.

Matt

11 Jun 2011 13:51:13
ED why am I not allowed to respond to Super Yid, I have tried twice to post a reply and both times it has not been posted on the forum. I have not sworn or been abusive in any way, I've just defended my own opinion!
K

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11 Jun 2011 13:18:29
I obviously don't want modric to go but if he did go, we would get a huge amount of money for him. If i was Redknapp i would look at bringing Lassana Diarra to the Lane! Hes a experienced player who is surplus to requirements at Madrid. Because of this we would not have to pay over 12-13 mill. Then we could use the rest of the money to buy 2 Class Strikers. Sell Crouch and Keane and have Pav and Defoe as subs. wouldn't be a bad bench aye? i know hes a former gooner but i would definately have Adebayor at spurs. hes a class act!
YIDARMY!x

11 Jun 2011 12:32:56
Sorry coys manc city will sign modric for 40 millon late in transfer market leaving us no time to replace him we will hear the same crap that we nearly signed x n x but was to late we will not sign any strikers time's looking bad for us yids maybe just maybe we will bring in a old striker looking for one last pay out.

11 Jun 2011 12:06:21
IF modric does leave, then pastore is the man

You know what? I couldnt give a rats c*ck if he is.
What bothers me and SHOULD bother each and every Spurs supporter is the thought that we will actually sell our best player/s to another Premiership team to make them better and to f**k us over in the League table. As far as im aware only myself and one of the Eds has made any mention of the importance of not selling our best to other Premiership clubs. Im getting to the point now where i feel it is utterly pointless talking about signings if we are going to just bend over and let the rival clubs insert their weapons into us and pay us off like some cheap whore for the privilege of having our best. Despite Levy and redknapp talking big, there is info out there suggesting Modric is considering sodding off. Perhaps Mr L and Mr R would like to have a word in the lads ear to tell him that he is on a big f**k off contract and WILL NOT be leaving the club before the start of the season. Perhaps they would like to comfort him somewhat by telling him that IF we don't make Champions league Football at the end of the season, he will be allowed to leave with everybodys blessings to a FOREIGN CLUB!
Super Yid
{Ed008's Note - Thank You Super Yid

Well said Super Yid. we can't sell our best players.
whos to blame if he does leave? harry? Because i'd certainly blame him.
Instead of bringing in signings that show Tottenham's real ambition, Harry is linking us with these so called 'Leaders' who haven't lead there team to NO success.
Parker, Neville, Distin etc
We need a signing that will show us and our big players that we mean business. i'm pretty sure an ambitious signing will tie all our big names to the club. This is why we need to do business fast, like UTD and Liverpool.

Azza

Its a very familiar situation to the berba deal. . .i think his heads been turned by champs league and the jump in wages will help too. Put yourself in his shoes. . . just because he plays for Spurs dosn't mean he's Spurs fan, its his job. Bottom line, as good as he is, any player who wants to leave. . let them go.


Rufus

11 Jun 2011 02:00:27
Super yod you talk of a factually incorrect post yet everything you say is based on your opinion and what you think happened rather than any facts! I never once critisised Levy or said he didn't do a great deal to get VDV. Don't mistake realism for negativity, we all want the best players in the world at the mighty Spurs, some of us don't live in a dream world that's all. As I said in my last post it maybe that Levy will pull off another suprise, I certainly hope so. As for questioning my support I'm not going to dignify that with an answer!
K
COYS