Spurs Rumours Archive November 08 2011

08 Nov 2011 12:20:06
tottenham are so pathetic
you want goetze, hazard, verthongen and cisses as soon as we do
all teams just see who arsenal want and go after them as wenger is the best for finding talent

Cop on It's just paper talk & It's the scouts who find the players & as soon as a good player comes along most teams in Europe will have them watched so dont think that wenger finds these players coz he don't a scout will watch about ten times b4 wenger sees him, when u understand how football clubs operate then say something... gombeen

Come off it Vertonghen is too good a CB for Wenger to want him they prefer to buy crap ones
You shouldn't believe rumours, just because a paper links a club to a player doesn't mean the club will do a deal

Wenger has been pretty good at losing talent recently.

Best for finding talent LOL thats why there was a mad scramble at the end of the transfer window for just squad members

Whats pathetic is you coming on here! now run along little boy its time for tea.

Maybe finding them but not buying them he is as tight as a nuns ass, jog on gooner

Well, you said it pal - Wenger is just a good scout these days.

Now, I believe the phrase my fellow Yids are looking for here is "jog on", you pigeon-English typing representation of the average Arsenal fan's IQ....

Goetze, Hazard, Verthongen or any other World Class player will never sign for Arsenal so I dont understand all the fuss you are making.

Lets look at the mighty Arsenal over the last 6 years. You have lost or sold the following quality players: Clichy, Fabregas, Nasri, Eboue, Adebayor, Toure,
Hleb, Diarra, Campbell, Flamini, Reyes, Ljungberg, Henry, Ashley Cole, Gallas, Pires and Vierra.

Now look at the amazing talent you signed who actually wanted to stay: Rosiky, Walcott, Fabianski, Sagna, Ramsey, Arshavin, Vermaelen, Chamakh, Squilacci, Koscielny, Mertsaker, Arteta, Gervinho, Oxlaide Chamberlain, Santos and Cho young.

To be honest when you compare the those who left with those who came I think Mr Wenger has done a terrible job. Face it Arsenal are in the last year of Champions league football, and no World Class player will ever consider joining the sinking ship. Stop and ask yourself why you have failed to attract talent in the previous 5 seasons, and then hand on heart tell me if it has ever been darker at Arsenal?

You will cite the young talent of Wilshire or the brilliance of Van Persie or maybe the composure of Vermaelen, but outside of that you have a team full of average talent no better than Bolton.

So go back to the Emirates stadium and dont swear too loudly or you might dull out the noise of your fans. Start looking at Blackburn, Bolton, Wolves or rejects from the top 5 clubs and you might find a more realistic transfer target.

The Oracle

I've gotta say, the oracle can be annoying with his unbelievable rumours, but he sure can stick the boot in the gooners

Well we wont hazard or gotze they will want to go to massive clubs so not arsenal either and yes its gotze by the way moron.

Well said Mr. Oracle - 110% with you this time.

Flippit.

Well these Woolwich fans who think Arsenal are so great need to wake up.

Come on you Spurs

The Oracle

What world class players have you signed that you have made world class??
Apart from modric and bale.

It is nice to see Woolwich FC supporters acknowledge that we have world class stars. So let us evaluate the same period for Spurs and see who left and who joined.

Spurs have signed players like Bale, Modric, Van Der Vaart, Lennon, Huddlestone, Assou-Ekotto, Dawson, Walker, Defoe, Adebayor, Sandro, Gallas & Parker.

If you review the players that used to be in the Spurs team during the same time period you find the likes of Defendi, Atouba, Ziegler, Mendes, Chimbonda, Malbranque, Routledge, Naybet, Pamarot, Ifil, Davenport, Mido, Cerny, Andy Reid, Stalteri, Tainio, Rasiak, Murphy, Ghally, Dervitte, Zokora, Guntar, Rocha and Berchiche.

You see even if your vision was blurred as you swam across the mirky River Thames from Woolwich to North London, I doubt you will disagree without losing faith that the Spurs squad has ever been so strong.

The point is simple and transparent for all to review, and the fact is Woolwich FC have fallen like a meteor from outer space, whilst Spurs have risen like the Phoenix from the ashes.

No independent would doubt Spurs are the dominant team in North London now. Even Dixon and Merson reluctantly agree with that point. The real question is are Fulham or Even QPR within reach of challenging Woolwich FC for third spot.

Currently speaking Chelsea and Spurs are very evenly matched. Arsenal still have 3rd spot but Fulham and QPR are closing in fast.

So go and was your eyes out with water, take a walk to the local store and buy some bleech for that shirt.

The Oracle

^^^^ How about VDV?

Gallas adebayor both
arsenal rejects,
Assou-ekotto world class...
aha.
It is a joke right?
Dawson is so good he can't get into a england squad that is not world class! Same for Defoe and Huddlestone and Lennon .
Wait a second who is picked ahead of them?? Oh I know wilshere and walcott

Modric and bale are world class he did say apart from modric and bale walker potentially could be world class but at the moment sagna is one of the top 5 right backs and was voted the best right back in the epl.

Parker Is a good player not world class though but for 8m great deal .
Thing is look at koscielny he was pathetic last season suddenly he looks like a different player while gallas is not in the squad for on and off the pitch reasons but also i dont think you made vdv world class .

Arsenal players capped for England Walcott 19, Wilshire 5 & Gibbs 2.

Spurs players capped for England Defoe 46, King 21, Lennon 19, Parker 9, Dawson 4 & Huddlestone 3. Kyle Walker looks certain to take the RB position for many years to come.

So yes you are correct Spurs dominate Arsenal with English talent.

The Oracle

VDV has scored more goals at Spurs than at any time since he got injured playing for Ajax, we might not have made him world class but playing in the Spurs team has certainly boosted his profile and goal tally.
Sandro is now starting to pick up caps for Brazil and looking to be developing into a world class player
Pointless saying the likes of Hudd, Dawson and Lennon are not getting in the England team because they have all suffered from injuries. Parker is starting to look a regular now and using your logic has forced Wilshire out of the team.
Wilshire is a good player but like Hudd and Dawson won't even get thought about being selected until they are fit again. That said Wenger could only pray to get Dawson in his team after the string of centre back disasters he has bought and I'm sure he'd love both Hudd and Sandro in his midfield
I know it must be tough to take these days, but the tide has turned

Micah richards or smalling would be the right back

You can not judge it that way firstly.
walcott is 22
wilshere is 19
gibbs is 22

while
defoe is 29 (not sure)
dawson 27
lennon 24(while walcott is 22 and has 19)
parker 30 (plus how much time has he played for england while at tottenham)
huddlestone 24 (3 caps while wilshere is 19 and has 5)
king 31
gibbs will surely be the left back when cole finishes.


what do all our english nationals have in common there under 23.

on a whole the amount of youth players coming up that could potentially play for england is a lot .

Wilshere will retain his place lets be real parker is 30 even lampard is getting forced out when wilshere and gerrard are back they will be the midfield duo w
.........................hart
...richards.......??........terry........cole
................gerrard.....parker*
....walcott.........wilshere...........young
........................rooney
parker/lampard/maybe even cleverly/rodwell
or
.........................hart
...richards.......??........terry........cole
................gerrard.....wilshere
....walcott..........rooney...........young
..........................??

cb??=
cahill-jagielka-jones-smalling-lescott-etc
I doubt we would go back to 442

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Wenger has signed the worst defender the prem has ever seen in mertasacker. how funny it is seeing him in an arse nil shirt.worse than stepanovs. class!

Sagna at RB is half decent and Vermaelen looks a great player. That then leads to the following conclusion - The rest are woeful.

Arsenal are so reliant on three players it is untrue. If the Gooners lose Vermaelen the back falls apart, without Wilshire they are void in the middle, and we all know Van Persie is their only option upfront. With all three fit they will finish 6th, but when the ground gets heavy in a few weeks time do not write off a disaster.

Man City will knock out their stuffing in the Carling Cup and then in the league, and the crunch game for Arsenal will be a boxing day defeat to Wolves. Expect a physical game and pray your talisman dies not get injured when O'Hara and Co go crunching into tackles.

I am being serious when I say this, Arsrnal are in trouble and everyone else can see it apart from Wenger and his Rose tinted glasses brigade.

The Oracle

12 Nov 2011 00:14:52
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Know your place
Enjoy :)

Im sorry but
1 vermaelen has been out for the last 6-8 matches he has not played a 2 full matches in the epl yet so...
sagna is out for three months(about 6 weeks gone)
wilshere has not played a match in the epl we have missed him but not as much as you missed bale in the last half of the season.

mertesacker statistically is better than king and dawson he plays every match for germany one of the best teams in the world while dawson and king dont even get into an england squad.
kos is on form
ramsey on form
rvp super form
we are not feilding our best squad and we are winning comfortably so...
modric and bale will leave and then ...

Kos has improved a lot now he is in the first team for france while dawson and king can't get into a bad english team

For years I remember Spurs fans trying to compare our side with Arsenal. We used to have the same rose tinted view of our team, clinging onto the success either side of the 60s.

I remember when we used to talk about our world class stars like Kanoute, Postiga, Korsten, Anderton, Sheringham, Popescu, Iversen, Rebrov, Dumitrescu, Saib, Berti, Ferdinand, Ziege and their like. We had the occassional star like Van Persie in the shape of Klinsmann, Ginola & Gascoigne, but to be honest when you look back we never had a squad of players able to challenge the top teams. I believe Arsenal have entered that space and the fact so many Arsenal fans back mediocre players just demonstrates the dangerous position you have arrived at. Like spurs of the 80's and 90s Arsenal will clinge onto the past hoping that all their youngsters will perform the miracles required to turn them all into superstars.

The current squad is simply not a Top 5 team. There is no depth and honestly whilst I dont expect you to agree please be reasonable.

So many Spurs players get into the Arsenal first team but honestly only Van Persie, Wilshire and Vermaelen would serious make the first to let alone the first XI. Even if you look at the 3 star Wilshire is not current in the mould of Modriv or Parker albeit look talented for the future, Van Persie is no better than Adebayor and a fit King or Gallas sharing half a role each are better than Vermaelen. These are your best three players and when you look at the depth the picture is even worse.

So lets assume Merson and Dixon are right that the Spurs XI is better than Arsenal, I seriouslyu doubt many independents would disagree. Then we need to look at the squad outside of the first team.

Spurs 1st XI
Friedel, Assou Ekotto, King, Dawson, Walker, Bale, Modric, Parker, Lennon, Van Der Vaart & Adebayor

Spurs 2nd XI
Gomes, Corluka, Gallas, Kaboul, Rose, Krancjar, Huddlestone, Sandro, Pienaar, Defoe, Pavlyuchenko

In addition there are still players like Dos Santos, Bassong, Falque, Cudicini, Livermore, Townsend, Kane and even those loaned out like Jenas and Bentley.

When you look at Arsenal you end up with a skeleton squad of players like Jenkinson, Almunia, Frimpong, Djourou, Squilacci, Chu-Young, Chamakh, Ramsey, Gervinho, Gibbs & Arshavin. This sort of team cannot possible compete whatever case you make about future potential. The Spurs 2nd XI could not win the premiership but there would be few teams in the country that would take that team lightly and they are capable of competing with most of the clubs first XI.

Arsenal have lost their way and one or two more failed signings and the ship will go down.

The Oracle

Freidel vs shezza=
shezza
sagna vs walker
fact is someone has been voting sagna as the best right back for the last three years and it's neutral fans. don't get me wrong walker will be great but probably not as good as sagna's peak which is/was arguebly world class
kos/PM4 vs king
fact is kos was pathetic last season but this season he has been great he has had his first full debut for france while gallas is on his way out and also PM4 is facing the worlds best players with germany each match he will adapt it might take as long as kos but he will adapt based on stats purely PM4 is better.
Dawson when fit is good but kos is improving while dawson is not last season or two years ago he was great and we have seen glimpses of it so far.

song-parker
Song will be good but parker at the moment is great I have to say .
wilshere vs modric we obviously have not seen wilshere this season but based on last season wilshere is/was better .

lennon vs walcott/gervinho
well to put simply walcott get's picked ahead of lennon.

gervinho/walcott vs bale
has to be bale

vdv vs arteta/ramsey
vdv and ramsey are both on form but if i was to pick vdv but undoubtedly ramsey will be good.

rvp vs ade
rvp simply

oh and
gibbs/santos vs BAE

I love the way BAE runs and you can see his head bobbing up and down. santos is to attacking his attacking side is better than bae defensively no
gibbs vs bae when fit is better and he is the future england lb.

future england rb
richards/jones/smalling/walker/clyne(you may not no him but he will be stellar he's crystal palace)

so
(Sorry about punctuation ,my comma only decides to work sometimes!)
so
AFC first team:
.......................shezza
......sagna...PM4/kos...TV5.......gibbs
..........................song
...........arteta/rambo...wilshere
....walcott.............RVP..........gervinho
vs
..........................freidel
...walker........dawson...king..........BAE
....................parker...modric
...lennon................VdV...............bale
.......................adebayour
2nd team
mannone-jenko-pm4/kos..DJ/miquel-santos-frimpong-arteta/ramsey-aoc-arshavin-park-benayoun/coq/rosicky
u-23
shezza-jenko-miquel-bartley-gibbs-frimpong-song-walcott-AoC-afobe-ramsey
not to mention the strar studded youth I'm not sure about the tottenham u-23's though

Kranjcar is underated

Oh, whats that Mr. Van Persie ? You dont want to sit down and talk about a new contract is it ? Thats ok. Arse nil do that alot. Then they lose there better players for nothing or to higher wages at Man City.
Van Persie can see that and he can also see that they replace there departed "stars" with second rate nobodies that wouldn't even get in our 2nd XI.

The Oracle is right, they have lost their way. They are sinking and the rats will jump ship as they always do. I for one will not be sheding a tear.

Flippit.

I told you that Arsenal fans have lost their will to think. They put Song ahead of the best RB England has ever seen, they laughably put Kosielny ahead of probably the two most consistent stars of the last decade in King and Gallas, and Gibbs over probably the best Spurs player in Assou Ekotto. To be honest let them believe as it will keep the fans content as they slip away to a slow and painful deterioration.

Almost laughable but the seasonal challenges are about to begin.

The Oracle

You have lost your who has but song instead of walker lol .
best RB england has ever seen.
The point is someone has been voting sagna as the best right back in the epl for 3 years and it is neutral fans .
assou ekkoto to be honest maybe i'm judging him on looks because he just looks like a clown and runs like one to .
gallas the most consistent CB and king .
so consistent they don't get into their national squad SQUAD. without bale BaE is ... walker the best RB england has seen ??
ok cool .
There is no point talking because at the end of the day. Can you pay players 140k a week??
bale will go
modric will go
freidel is 100
gallas -really... he is on his last legs
king -last legs
dawson-....
Bae-a

Injuries and age are the only reason they dont play for their countries. They are half a player now due to these factors but when fit still the best around.

You talk about playing for countries but ask yourself if you would want the following at the Emirates next transfer window.

Shaun Wright Phillips, Wayne Bridge, Keiren Dyer, Crouch, Ferdinand &
Heskey.

All have massive England experience but none would be welcome at even a weak team like Arsenal.

Back to the actual debate that we were originally having before you made this an England appearance debate and failed.

So the question I would like you to answer is whether you feel Arsenal have weakened significantly over the last 6 years?

Question two have Spurs significantly strengthened over the same period?

Last question does this therefore not make Wenger a bad acquisition manager and not the miracle manager all paint him to be?

Lastly put you name to your reply so we can remember what you wrote and remind you at the end of the season how dark your glasses were.

The Oracle

13 Nov 2011 21:42:04
Found the best website ever.... Assenal fans please take note...

www.sincearsenallastwonatrophy.co.uk/

Enjoy ;)

Naz

I'm not the guy that spoke about england ,but surely using you logic why is parker in the england first team????
Parker is class and he is getting into the team at 30 ,so if dawson is 27 and he is class why is he not in the squad let alone the first team while lescott and jagielka both 29 get into the squad (first team) And terry 30 plays consistently. Jags is not the fittest player around either.

just saying...
just saying guy(jSg)

Oracle you did a mistake when you said song as right back did you mean sagna or ??

Bore off. if you look back at the summer i think you will find arsenal AND LIVERPOOL were linked to everyone spurs was linked too. boring boring arsenal fan.

mug.

^^^
such as ??
parker
but wait
hazard-gervnho-cahill-sagna-amilfatano-etc

As a man united fan i have to agree with the orinial comment. a lot of teams go after who arsenal want cos they have the best manager at finding player and spurs are always after who they want

Arsenal= top of the form table, record for games unbeaten, closing in on top 4 and will get it, 2 of the bargain summer signings arteta and gervinho and the greatest prem player ever thierry henry.
spurs= 4th spot best ever and best ever player is jurgen klinsman LOL

Arsenal premier leaugue best team:
lehman
sagna campbell adams cole
pires fabrega viera ljunberg
henry bergkamp
tottenham:
Robinson
walker king gallas assou ekotto
lennon modric anderton bale
klingsman berbatov
LOL in itself

I assume you are about 18 based on your best ever Tottenham side. Let me help with a few names so you youngsters can look up the stars of yesteryear. The fact you have Anderton in CM is almost laughable when he played RM most of his time at Spurs.

GK - Ray Clemence, Pat Jennings or the great Ted Ditchburn.
Defenders - Mabbutt, Perryman, King
Midfielders - Gasgoine, Ginola, Bale, Modric, Parker, Cliff Jones, Glenn Hoddle and David McKay.
Strikers - Greaves, Linekar, Berbatov,
Other players like Ardiles, Archibald, Peters, Waddle, Bobby Smith.

Probably missed a few but Anderton doesn't get close he was no better than Lennon in my opinion.

The Oracle

T**t he said best prem side so get rid of jennings and others

Best PREM team. learn to read

Ditchburn. clemence, jennings don't come close to seamen, lehman and schezny.
madbutt, perryman and king nowhere near campbell, adams, vermaelen.
midfielders miles worse than arteta, viera, pires etc. lennon can't even cross a ball and modric is worth about 15 million not 40.
greaves, lineker and berabtov couldn't come close to gervinho let alone bergkamp van persie, henry and kanu {Ed001's Note - Clemence is twice the keeper of any of those you have mentioned on his own. I can't believe anyone would be that clueless to compare a mad German who consistently lost the plot, a pony tailed money grabbing average keeper who only looked good behind a fantastic defence and a guy who is barely starting his career with one of the greatest keepers ever to play the game!}

Spurs and arsenal aren't even great rivals anymore as they both hate chelsea and both have 2 managers who respect eachother and both have great teams.
prem best team:
hart
sagna vermaelen vidic cole
song modric
young VDV bale
VP
shows how good both squads are

This is quite amusing actually, as an outsider on both sides. The first poster is right !
Fact is hazard and ... will not be going to you(spurs) and probably arsenal and any other epl club any-time soon ! the last three years tottenham have said this is the year and ... Arsenal just have a knack of staying alive people saying arsenal is RvP FC are wrong why because when henry was there in the 06 season that team was much more reliable on him than RvP now arguebly! And everytime arsenal get out of it why ,I don't know but the guy in charge was Wenger!
The worst possible thing that could affect them is Rvp going or getting injured and I doubt he will leave because.... Arsenal have stuck by him through the harsh times he has had any other club would have got rid of him because of his injuries(obviously not a team like derby though lol!)!
Arsenal don't buy big who have tottenham bought unknown for less than 10m as a proffesional player and made them into a W.C player Imo vdv was world class but you might have one or two but arsenal have loads!
Arsenal will get sagna-gibbs-wilshere coming back three key players .
They have let in 10 in a 11 games with out the solid back 4 so when it is then ...

gk-szczeny(spelling?)-lehmann-seaman
def-adams-campbell-cole-sagna-lauren-vermaelen-toure-dixon-clichy
Mid-viera-wilshere-pires-ljungberg-fabregas-nasri-hleb(at the time)-flamini
f-
henry-bergkamp-RvP

a lot that will be great
so for me I think at the moment for arsenal the only way is up.

while
redknapp will go for the england job
bale-once modric goes he will follow
modric-chelsea
adebayor-only on loan
etc
So long as wenger tweaks his legacy a bit then ... but tottenham have a cracking team on paper don't get me wrong but arsenal are arsenal and things are not don e on paper for them . Both ways e.g losing to birmingham while beating chelski.just my view !
p.s Im a Q.P.R fan

Thank you QPR fan

ED- jennings played when the outfied palyers were nowhere near as good as when seamen, lehman and schezny were and are playing and seamen wasn't money grabbing, lehman was one of the top 5 prem goalkeepers of all time and schezny is in the tp 5 prem keepers now. you know nothing mate

Your welcome ,
I just wanted to give my insight I come from a family of mad gunners fans but it was me and my grandad that went against the tide but I do have a handfull of spurs fans.
I think the man that tottenham need to keep is harry simply!
Q.P.R fan

Your one of the few people that actually knows anything about football on this page

That comment was to the qpr fan

This myth about Arsenal buying nobodies and turning then into Superstars is nonsense. For a start the Arsenal dan who proudly included Campbell, perhaps you forgot he was a Spurs player developed from the youth.

Anyway let's look at the so called players who were nobody before they came.

1998/99 Ljubgberb £3m and Kanu £4.5m were massive transfer fees at the time.

99/00 Henry £10.5m and Lauren £7.2m were the type of fees paid for world class players. The myth Arsene Wenger made them from nothing is rubbish.

00/01 Pires £6m , Edu £6m, Jeffers £8m and Wiltord £13m -If you buy enough you get one or two right.

01/02 Van Bronkhorst £8.5m, Richard Wright £6m and your first success story outside the Campbell Traitor one is Kolo Toure for 150k.

02/03 Cygan £2.1m and Gilberto £4.5m

03/04 Lehman £2m , Sendaros £2.5m and Van Persie £2.75m. All reasonable fees for that year albeit Lehman and Van Persie have shown to be value and could be included in your developed for nothing category. I would challenge that and say £2-3G players then were like £10m now as the transfer fees have rocketed. If you include them as cheap then Bale, Lennon, VDV etc are similar priced. Lastly £13m for Reyes which was one of the big money signings that year.

04/05 Eboue £1m , Flamini £1m and Almunia £2.5m relatively poor at Arsenal.

05/06 Rosicky £6.8m, Adebayor £7m, Walcott 9.1m and Hleb £11.2m hardly cheap were they? Bentner, Traore, and Mannone were around 200k and all were average albeit cheap and Diaby was £2m which was cheap and could be included in your developed equation. Sadly even you Gooners don't rate any of them as seen above in you best teams and therefore hardly any success story here.

06/07 Eduardo £7.5. Denilson £3.5m and Fabianski £2m were another three flops.

07/08 Ramsey £5m , Sagna £6m and Nasri £15.8m hardly free were they. All unknown but you paid top dollar for them.

08/09 Arshavin £15m lol

09/10 Vermaelen £10m about the rate for any top class centre back and he is good. Hardly a development story.

10/11 Squillacci £4m and Koscielny £10m well you got one right but once again hardly a nobody for free developed into a superstar.

11/12 Santos £6.2m, Arteta £10m , Mertesaker £10m, Gervinho £10.6m and Chamerlain £12m. Them for Fabregas and Nasri, Clichy, Eboue and Traore. In summary a terrible piece of business.

So when you Gooners talk of developing so many players on a shoe string, stop kidding yourself and review the facts.

Just as a cross reference Freidel Free, Gallas free, Adebayor free, Lennon £1.5m, Huddlestone £2.5m, Assou Ekotto £3.5m, Dawson £3.5m, Walker £4m, Bale £5m, Parker £5m, Kaboul £5m & Van Der Vaart £8m.

So using facts and not fiction I think Spurs managers including Christian Gross, Ramos, Jol, Pleat, Santini and Hoddle actually have developed more talent at low cost that your self professed legend. Stop believing total hype and face it you bought you teams of old, ran out of money and have now crashed and burned. Noobs wants to join Arsenal anymore and even RVP wants out and you know it.

Sad sad Rose tinted Gooners.

The Oracle

Fabregas, schezny, van persie, lehman, toure, eduardo, adebayor, eboue, song etc. all bought cheaply and could easily make it into all prem sides when they were @ arsenal. eduardo wasn't a flop b4 his horrible leg break. spurs have no players they bought who were unknown and went onto make a success of their careers. so ha LOL

Those players you called flops who we bought this year have turned our team around you scum.

Eduardo is not aflop anyone that breaks their leg will never be the same emotionally and physically

Arshavin at first was amazing but as he has got older ... but didn't the guy say that arshavin was a flop

How can you disagree with henry HIMSELF SAYING THAT IT WAS WENGER WHO MADE HIM THE PLAYER HIMSELF! I'm sure he knows who helped him himself!

Adebayour is on loan and he was made at arsenal!

Lennon is class so class he can't get into the england team because he is so good same goes for huddlestone

Kos 10m joke walcott 11m it was paid preformance related and also AOc PM4 AND GERV WRONG

Are you saying you made freidel and vdv and parker - and also are you saying huddlestone ,lennon and kaboul are players that you have turned great even thought they are not!

Redknapp sais spurs can win the leauge. LOL and even if you do he will p off to manage england and you'll be playing like you did under ramos agian.

100% agree with the Q.P.R fan

Yeah for finding donkeys like koscienly, mertasacker, squillaci, arshavin.

he got lucky with signing henry, RVP, and Fabregas. has sogned anyone quality since.

You have 2 players rvp and sagna that would even get in the spurs 1st 11, were ahead of you in the table. You havent beaten us in the league for a long time so shut up.

^^^
I have to disagree kos has improved a lot mate and I'd welcome him!

This is a joke the qpr fan is spot on in everything he said

We're gonna overtake you again and you have and will not get anywhere near the success of arsenal.

Spurs squad is full of donkeys. kaboul, krancjar, gomes, corluka, cudicini, lennon can't cross a ball, pavlyuchenko, you've messed up defoes career, king and dawson are always injured, bassong, you overate assou-ekotto so much and kyle naughton was one of the most promising rb until he went to you. not to mention the likes of jenas, hutton, woodgate and robinson who came did nothing and left.

Vermalen, van persie, sagna, schezny, wilshere, song, gervinho and arteta would get easily into spurs and any other prem team.

Oh and we have jenkinson, walcott, oxlade-chamberlain, schzezny, myrachi, ramsey, frimpong and wilshere for the future. who do you have apart from walker? nobody

Well said Oracle. It's true Wenger has bought about 50 players, and well done to him for 4 of them being great buys. I applaud that crappy stat. This hocus pocus of Arsenal having a better team than Spurs.... wrong. On paper spurs are better, fact. Since Harry took over we have beaten you 3 times, you have beaten us once.

shcitzny(i know its wrong spelling, not worth my time to look on google as i just dont care) a worldclass keeper? jog on mate. id rather have Friedel

Naz

Sagna would not get infront of Walker nowadays. Walker has improved leaps and bounds. OMG i just remembered the goal against assenal hehe

Vermalen would get into spurs

Van Persie, class, always has been, always will be. did you know he was spotted by spurs scouts before wenger jumped in?

Sagna - no, walker definately

schelney - 50/50 with kaboul both defenders have improved and done well

wilshire/song- Problem is scott parker and modric are much better

Gervinho is pants, Bale is better

arteta, great player but would go for VDV instead.

RVP wins hands down in striker department

What shocks me is that you regard kaboul a great buy as well as huddlestone and lennon and then mention two former arsenal players that where made by wenger(not gallas) that we got rid of jol bought bale and dawson I think not sure only buy redknapp has made is parker Vdv Was world reknown as is everyplayer that played for real madrid and ajax
ramsey good
pires good
edu good
wiltford-good
toure-good(WF/S)
VB-good
wright-good
cygan-fail
gilbero-good(WF/S)
lehman-good
sendorous-fail
van persie-good(WF/S)
kanu-good(T/S)
ljunberg-good(WF/S)
henry-good(WF/S he took a chance...)
lauren-good(WF/S)
eboue-...
flamini-good(WF/S)
rosicky-at the time was awesome then had a nasty bug and a chocolate knee and...
adebayour-good(WF/S*
walcott-good(WF/S)
hleb-good(WF/S* then he failed )
eduardo-great before his leg broke-good
deilson-fail
fabianski-not a fail becaue he was bought as a second GK
ramsey-good(WF/S)
sagna-good(WF/S)
nasri(15.8m NOT!)-good(WF/S)
fact is we paid good money because wenger saw potential and did they reach it yes
arshavin-...
vermaelen-did you know vermaelen before he came to us?-good(WF)
squillaci-fail
Kos-good(S)
santos-good(WF) we don' know yet
arteta-good don't know yet

crystal palace fan

Those players are better than good

Song is better than parker. FACT as he can play well in europe and leauge. Arteta has done better than VDV this season VDV has done nothing apart from the QPR game. modric and bale bothe overated. 40 and 35 mill. LOL

They where I did not want to write a diferent word for each so it was good/fail
and
WF=wenger found them and took a chance and...
S=succes story

I think modric and bale are overated but they are stil fantastic and I think bale is much better than modric (arsenal fan)

Who’s the better player – Parker or Song?
Parker
45%
Song
55%
From talkSPORT

Even alex gets it wrong
bebe
djemba-djemba!
forlan(at the time of course)

Carrick, anderson, evans and gibson. but both arsenals and manutd's flops don't come near to tottenhams amount or how high profile they were.

^^^
dont forget
kleberson bellion fortune etc

Spurs never wanted van persie

^^^
random everyone knew that

Some guy said they scouted him before us

Arsenals top 10 players: RVP, vermaelen, gervinho, arteta, wilshere, schezny, walcott, sagna, song and koscielny. spurs: bale, modric, van der vaart, walker, parker, modric.... it goes a bit down hill after that.

So bad you had to name modric twice. thats how bad spurs are

Oh my bad (sorry to the guy that said spurs never wanted RvP my bad sorry for being rash)

Thats alrite

How are assenal doing in the league?
Answer, not as good as spurs

Yeah but we will carry on this good form, you won't

The epl is a marathon not a sprint

Well carrying on the form we beat West Brom 3-1 away from home and Arsenal battle out a point at home to Fulham.

GK - Szczesny is young, unproven and has conceeded 23 goals in 13 games. Freidel whilst half as agile is technically superior. The age factor is a concern but to be honest Freidel is by far the better keeper at the moment. If we need youth we will sign Akinfeev who is better than them both.

LB - Assou Ekotto is simply outstanding and probably the most underrated player at Spurs. For me this is a no contest so I will leave it there.

CB - Koscielney, Mertesaker and Squillacci are all terrible. Dawson, King, Gallas, Kaboul and Vermaelen are considerations. For me King is a no brainer when fit and Dawson has been too consistent not to merit a place. I personally believe Kaboul will become the best of the lot as he shown to be superb lately. Vermaelen is another good player buy it is debatable as to whether he gets a place. As it is close I will pick King and Vermaelen just to demonstrate my impartiality.
RB - Walker v Sagna - Both have ben great but seriously Walker is different class. I know he is all the hype at present, but watch him week in week out and remove your hias

94 replies come on guys!

Koscielny and mertesacker are sick especially compared to your cb's. you tottenham fans go on about dawson and king but are they ever playing? no. so they are not sick just like rosicky isn't sick because he is always injured. sagna is more consistent than walker he just broke his leg and schezny is proven as he is a regular, plays in champo leauge and has been linbked with barcelona.

Akinfeev is carp. hes unused at cska now

Top 4 this eason
1. man city
2. man utd
3. arsenal
4. tottenham
both squads miles better than chelseas and liverpools

Koscielny is one of the most consistently good peformers in the prem this season. you spurs fans don't watch a game of football do you. you just watch the highlights on match of the day to see the best bits.

Make that 95......

ps. gooners suck

I quote 'You Spurs Fans Dont Watch A Game Of Football Do You' - We have watched Arsenal conceed 23 Goals in 13 matches which demonstrates the point perfectly.

We can see an overrated young Goalkeeper who lets in more than HM Customs. We can see Crouch's twin German brother who has the same mobility as Colonel Gadaffi with the situational awareness of the Captain of the Marie Celeste. We can see you England star man who excites on the right like a piece of driftwood, and cross the ball like a paper aeroplane in gail force winds. We see your Ivorian star who has the goal scoring ability of a mutated cross between Kalou and Zokora. Sure we see a legend is RVP upfront who is looking amazing in a really poor team.

Sure we have been watching, sure most teams would take Vermaelen and RVP and perhaps Wilshire. Seriously the rest are just medioce and the next 8 games will show just how poor you are. Wenger has had to play the same team so much more than previous years as he has no faith in the squad. This will exploit the vunerabilities like the latest hamstring injury to Walcott. Sagna, Jenkinson, Gibbs and Wilshire all have long term injuries and will need time for rehabilitation. I think RVP will get an injury very soon if he is not given breathing space, and this in itself creates a goal scoring problem.

Get ready for a horrible year and a humiliating loss in the Champions League. Dont feel sad or angry when you are destroyed in the next big game, and savour the dying moments of your last European Tour for a decade or two.

The Oracle

23 goals in 13 matches where did you get that!
16 goals in 15 games
12 goals in 15 games
unbeaten
3 clean sheets
22 goals in 13 games (we have scored)
That is without our fully fit defence and midfield.

Sagna and wilshere have been out most of the season tv5 was out for most so we have dealt with it .To say someone will get an injury or get hurt I feel is immoral IMO.

29 Nov 2011 17:47:56
gervinho 2 in 10
lennon 19 in 180
1 this season( I think)

this season
assists
gervinho 5
lennon not in the top 35
( less than 3)(bale has 3 but bendtner and walcott have three as well and N'zonzi)

take what you want from this:

soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

and bbc

Arsenal....
Played 13 games
scored 26
conceded 23.

Spurs...
Played 12 games
Scored 26
Conceded 16
Spurs also do not have a fully fit defence

This is why people are saying Friedel is more consistent than schelney, because of the facts

23 goals in 13 games-WTH
you have to look at who arsenal have played
tottenham have played:
west brom-1=3
aston villa-0=2
fulham-1=3
rubin kazan(who?)-1=0
qpr-1=3
blackburn-1=2
rubin kazan-0=1
newcastle-2=2
arsenal-1=2
shamrock rovers(one of the worst teams in fifa ... just sayin half a star/one star lol but still they are rubbish)-1=3
wigan-1=2
stoke0=0
liverpool=4
(three top half teams)
11 goals in 13
king absent one match
dawson all( I think)
scored 28
arsenal:
fulham-1=1
borussia dortmund(german champs)-1=2
norwich-1=2
west brom-0=3
marseille-0=0
chelski-3=5
stoke-1=3
marseille-0=1
sunderland-1=2
tottenham-2=1
olimpiakos-1=2
bolton-0=3
bolton-1(Cc)=2
5 top clubs
12 goals in 13 games
4 clean sheets
one loss-one draw
9 games won
10 games unbeaten and counting
without TV5 for 7 matches
no sagna
no gibbs for 10 matches
no Kos for 3 matches
scored 28
hmmmmmmmmm...........

^^^^^^^^^^
you facts are wrong

I was talking about the one ending in " because of facts"

To the Arsenal fan that clearly failed Englsh and Maths GCSEs, let me try to help you a little bit.

Arsenal have played 13 Premiership Games and conceeded 23 Premiership goals. That is the point we were making not some ridiculous comparison of Shamrock Rovers. On a side note that Rubin Kazan team you dismiss so lightly beat Barcelona, and just beat the CSKA Moscow away. The games in the Premiership have been very simialr for both sides, so I fail to understand your logic on this point. Arsenal have played Blackburn, Bolton, Sunderland, Stoke, West Brom, Norwich & Fulham within these 13 games all of which are relegation contenders for this season.

Lets settle this with our predictions for the next 5 games and then we can review and see whether the doom and gloom or glory year is more likely;

Wigan Away - Arsenal Win (Lose or Draw this you are gone gone gone)

Everton Home - Draw (Too physical like Newcastle and Fulham and could even nick a result)

Man City Away - Loss (This game will show you just how exposed your defence is. You better pray Vermaelen is fit or this could be embarrassing)

Villa Away - Draw (Villa are about equal on paper but their home crowd might even tip it their way. I will go for the draw)

Wolves Home - Draw (After a bad run of games and desparately needing points this will be the nail for Arsenal)

Total 6 points from the next 5 games.

Spurs in contrast will achieve the following;

Bolton Home - Win (Easy win against a side that is simply going down)

Stoke Away - Win (Hard victory with many ex Spurs players fighting to prove the manager wrong)

Sunderland Home - Draw (I see Sunderland recovering their current blight but if they are not on form then Spurs will punish them)

Chelsea Home - Draw (Chelsea are having a nightmare but must recover soon with their squad. Expect a typical London Derby draw)

Norwich Away - Win (As much as I rate what they have done at Norwich, I cannot see the way they play not falling into Spurs hands. I expect a big win 4-0)


Spurs total 11 points

That will put Spurs on 39 points and Arsenal on 29 points with Spurs having an additional game in hand away to Swansea.

If this is the position then even Arsenal fans will be writing off the season so put your predictions up and lets see who is nearer in 5 games time.

The Oracle

Arsenal can win the majority of those games and so can spurs. we'll both make top 4 as look at our top 5 players compared to chelsea's:
spurs= bale, modric, VdV, adebayor and parker
arsenal: van persie, song, vermaelen, arteta and sagna
chelsea- lampard, terry, cole, rameires and mata and 3 of them are past their best

True that

Apart from blackburn and fulham we beat those sides.

Oracle is clearly a spurs fan who is completely biased. arsenal can beat villa, city, evrton and wolves and you underrate chelsea, stoke and norwich

^^ doubt you will beat City mate

Our b team nearly beat a team that had nasri, barry, aguero, kolarov and dzeko in it mate and we were playing a lot of youngsters

And your just jealous because they all prefer to play for tottenham now, because we are better than arsenal

What youth do tottenham and man c have?
compared to manu arsenal fulham qpr(but all their players go to other clubs ) chelsea liverpool etc
O.T

Tottenham have the nutter that is Joe Jordan. Enough said really.