22 Jun 2013 20:06:03
Hi Eds, any chance of us snatching Higuain from Arse? I reckon he'd be just as happy playing for us as them, and he's in the top 5 strikers in Europe IMO, so would be worth the money?
Josh {Ed008's Note - No he's off to Arsenal more or less..
Dont worry most players that come from Real Madrid don't do that well. Real Madrid must be selling for a reason. They rarely end up been better once they move. I am glad spurs haven't signed him, there's better out there
22 Jun 2013 22:03:18
Van der vart came from r/madrid he wasn't bad
Who's out there better than higuain that we could sign, honestly? let's not act like he's not all that just because he could be going to Arse. We all know we can't get better than him, so why not go all out to try and snatch him? Negredo, soldado, damiao. They're not in his class really. Joe Lewis has the money. Imagine how much of a two fingers to arse that would be. It won't happen, but don't you just wish?
Josh
Reminds me of gudjonnson, s****
Rufus
Unless there contract is up or they get offered ridiculous money, anyone not in that category their career is normally in decline meaning they are not as good as when they are at real madrid. Same with Man u, when rooney moves I doubt he will be as good as he was when he was at man u when he was at his peak.
Rufus, this guy would Shine in arsenal or tottenham system. I'll be gutted if they sign him.
Gabriel.
He is slow and unbelieavably overrated. Would he a total waste of money.
I hate to say it, but you're all being ridiculous. Either you haven't seen him play, or you're just bitter because he looks like he's going to Arse. It's one thing to hate arse, but surely it's a bit odd of us of we convince ourselves someone is crap just because he's going to Arse? Like cazorla, I wanted him at spurs before he went there, but I can still recognise how good he is. And Juan Mata, I can still see that minus Bale, he's better than any player we have even though he's now a chav. How can you have a proper opinion about anything when you're so biased? It's like you're kids in a classroom arguing with your Arsenak mates both thinking every player in every position in your club is better because you support them. We're adults, and knowing football is always as important as who you support, otherwise you're just a blind man cheering a show.
Josh
Well said Josh
Slow? You obviously haven't seen him. It's funny when people try to make a point when they haven't really seen much of the player.
Gabriel.
I rate soldado as highly
I am totally amazed how anyone can possibly not rate Gonzalo Higuain, and I totally agree with Gabriel.
Many people have cited Higuain as clumber some and slow, which is very strange as he can run the 100m in 10. 49 seconds. I cannot think of a single player in the world outside Lionel Messi & Cristiano Ronaldo, with a more impressive dribbling & finishing skills. He has a fantastic vision for spotting key passes, canhd the ball up well, and unlike many strikers he can tackle. His only weaknesses would be straying offside too much, and is not as effective in aerial battles.
He has consistently been a top goal scorer, even bagging goals when having to play a role as a substitute. He has more assists as well as his goals, and I would suggest only a fool would doubt his all round ability.
At £20m and 25 years old, he represents ridiculous value. People talk about Cavani at £50m, when I know who I would prefer all day long.
As a loyal Spurs fan I have to say that I have been surprised that Arsenal have maintained their lead over Spurs in the league, as hand on heart I feel we have had a far more superior team. However, anyone thinking that Higuain is average is going to have a shock, and if Wenger buys Cesar, Fellaini, Higuain & Rooney we will find it very difficult to hang onto their coat tails.
Please tell me that these transfer are not going to happen ED, as I am worried the Gooners are emerging from the dust of their new stadium costs.
Well said josh, but higuan's father has said that both arsenal and juventus are in for him and knowing arsenal I doubt they can offer a better wage package than juventus.
source: tv
I'd rather throw 20 mill at Swansea for michu.
Rufus
23 Jun 2013 15:32:45
Higs father has said nothing has been completed yet but arse are very close to landing him.
Sorry Rufus but no way Michu worth 20 million, that would be a panic buy!
Whoever said Higuain can run 100m in tgat time is demented, he would struggle to run ot in 13secs. You obviously haven't seem him play, he is slow. Josh when spurs were linked with him I said the same, I just don't rate him and he will be a flop you watch.
30m for Benteke, 20m for Michu. I'd be calling for Levy and AVB to be removed. Thankfully I think they are both wiser than that.
Nah, a panic buy was rasiak and pav. Michu however has proven himself in the prem and against the top sides, I'm pretty sure he's early twenties too, given all that what price would you put on him Davo?
Rufus
I may be wrong but Michu and Benteke are both only "proven" one season. Upgrading Dempsey to Michu would be a good decision, but I think we could address more with 20m.
Michu is like 27-28. I think he's a decent enough striker but not worth 20mil! I don't think he's worth 10! I think benteke is worth about 10 mill. Problem is, over the years Chelsea, city and united and a couple of other clubs in Europe have started throwing stupid amounts of cash around. Everything has just become inflated.
Josh
23 Jun 2013 20:24:32
I cannot understand how you can rate Michu in the same bracket as Higuain. I actually like Michu myself and think he is a great little player, but comparing him with the proven ability of Higuain is surprising.
Here are some statistics for your to consider, when comparing with Michu
2012/13 - Higuain played 1744 minutes which is equivalent to 19. 4 games. He scored 16 goals and had 5 additional assists. Contributing 21 goals from 19 games is absolutely amazing.
2011/12 - Higuain played 1712 minutes which is equivalent to 19. 0 games. He scored 22 goals and had 9 additional assists. This 31 goals contributed from 19 games is only surmounted by the likes of the brilliant Lionel Messi.
2010/11 - Higuain played 1300 minutes which is equivalent to 14. 4 games. He scored 10 goals and had 6 additional assists. Once again more than a goal a game to minute on the pitch.
2009/10 - Higuain played 2383 minutes which is equivalent to 26. 5 games. He scored 27 goals and had 7 additional assists. Yet again more than a goal per game ratio.
2008/09 - Higuain played 2640 minutes which is equivalent to 29. 3 games. He scored 22 goals and had 12 additional assists. 34 goals yet again from 29 games and you guessed it over the 1:1 goals to games ratio.
2007/08 - Higuain played 888 minutes which is equivalent to 9. 9 games. He scored 8 goals and had 3 additional assists. 11 goals from 10 games and AGED 19!
Just to give you Michu's record by comparison.
2012/13 - Michu at Swansea scored 18 goals with 3 further assists from 33. 3 games last season. Impressive but well short of Higuain.
2011/12 - Michu & Rayo Vallecano scored 15 goals with 4 further assists from 36. 5 games last season. Not bad at all but short of Higuain by a mile.
2010/11 - 6 goals from 19. 4 games, at age 25 hardly that impressive.
2009/10 - 6 goals from 18. 9 games blow average once again @ 24 years old.
2008/09 - A pathetic 1 goal from 18. 4 games, is Didier Zokora territory.
2007/08 - 1 goal again from 12. 7 games is really weak.
Michu has had a purple patch and looked half decent for Swansea this season, and has been man of the match 6 times, but comparing him to the most consistent striker in European football is a little far fetched.
Face it guys Higuain is a fantastic player and anyone who knows about football will not want him in the oppositions team sheet.
Rufus, is Higuin is 20/25 million then Michu might fetch 15 mill! I not sure he is physically strong enough!
Rufus, PAV was never a panic buy. He was supposed to replace Berbatov but never lived up to his expectations. Many comments were made when we signed him such as "I'm surprised Tottenham didn't have more competition for his signature" unfortunately he was a flop.
Higuan plays for R Madrid and therefore gets plenty of chances so comparing him with Michu at Swansea is ridiculous. I would rather have Michu he is better.
I'm not on here to have a go guys but I just don't see it with higuain, why spend 25 mill on a player with no prem experience? U could gamble but what's the point when benteke or michu could be cheaper? Both having prem experience, I really think with players from the "glamour" sides you pay more because of their name.
Rufus
Rufus, respect the thoughts behind your post but you need to consider that before last season Benteke and Michu had no Epl experience (to my knowledge) and they didn't turn out to bad.
But what did they cost? 2 mill?
Rufus
Question to the stats guy above - I like how you are bringing evidence into this so much respect for you there. My question is how many of those goals were either important* or against a top 6 team? By important I mean a first goal, a winning goal, or an equalising goal.
The difficulty of stats in the Spanish league is that the quality of the lower teams is pretty poor. That means that the top teams regularly batter them, and players for those top teams pick up a lot of auxiliary goals - by that I mean if you are cruising to a 2-0 win and then pick up a couple late goals to win 4-0 as the other side have given up.
If he is coming on a lot in the last 20 minutes to tired and defeated lower league teams and picking up a lot of late goals that don't make much of a difference then his stats are not as impressive as they look. However if those goals are coming a lot against the top teams and he is getting openers and winners then they are very impressive.
Hope that makes sense!
Higuain has shown enough quality over a few years to see he is a top player. ANY foreign recruit has some adjusting to do in the Premier League but, with the pedigree of Real Madrid and World Cup experience then it is far more calculated gamble than an African or South American yet to leave their own shores.
The fact is if you offered us Higuain we (should) be absolutely over the moon but we're stuck with rumours about Damaio for 3years, Villa again (now that would be a gamble given injuries and age) and even Benteke at £20m+ which is crazy!
I just don't see how we aren't going all out for Negredo and/or Soldado when they're close to our reputed price bracket, have played European and International football, good goal scoring records and, fit a decent physical profile as well.
Simmo