Spurs Banter Archive April 09 2014

 

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09 Apr 2014 18:41:19
I've slated Mr Sherwood now having reflected my opinion is that we need van gal urgently with his experience and wisdom, to set up a team with a plan systems and a legacy, if Sherwood is cute he is a rough diamond and needs molding he ain't there yet and if he thinks he is he will fall , my father used to say you can't beat free advice if your out there Tim, be cute think, be patient go back into the background at THFC work with the youngsters learn from van gaul don't think of it as failure but more if a stepping stone you've had a taste but you need guidance, do this and be humble Spurs will be yours for a long time can you play chess Tim .

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I'm a Gooner and have to admit, that is a fantastic post.

Sherwood is THFC through and through and probably knows the WHL set-up better than anybody.

He has inherited the mess made by AVB and Baldini and Is doing a fairly decent job with the hand that has been dealt to him, whilst constantly looking over his shoulders to see what Levy and Joe Lewis are planning behind his back.

You boys have constantly knocked him throughout his tenure, whilst I can sympathise with you, and Indeed understand where you are coming from, the above post makes for very common-sense reading.

Personally, I think he deserves another season. Let him get rid of the players he doesn't want, buy some players he thinks will improve the team and let him stamp his own mark on the team.

But than again, I'm only a Gooner, so what do I know, lol.

PS, hello Spurski mate. Ya little 5hit (only joking mate)

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Dagenham, give him another year and we would be relegation fodder! Yes he has potential like Wenger ( sorry ) but he is at least three years away from being a top six manager! We have the players, but if he can't get the best out of what we have, he can't do the job . Yes, we are in the top 6, but is that down to what we have done, or what the others haven't!

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I do feel for Sherwood, I mean how hard can it be, the fans know that he is gone in the summer, the players know that he is gone in the summer and he knows that he is gone in the summer.

In terms of football quality, this whole season, how we are where we are is quite astounding really, we have been hard to watch for most part of this season, and yet, we can still end up with or around the 70 point mark, which can't be knocked really.

But the constant playing players out of position and the non tactical approach just isn't good enough to take us forward.

I agree with you Bobby, if he goes back in to the background picture, continues to learn, he could be a class manager in the future,

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Dagenham, I appreciate what your saying but have to say I disagree that TS deserves another year.
My reasons being based on my own career where I am also a young manager in a results based business. When I accepted the challenge of being the manager it was on a trial period and in that time wasn't allowed to change the staff and had to work with what I had and get results. Had I not got the results expected of me I would've accepted I wasn't ready yet (when I took over the place was in a mess also) and stepped back down. Now let's face it TS isn't ready and would be a huge gamble letting him have another year.
A gamble I can't say would be worth it based on the names we are being linked with to take over.
That said though I do think TS should accept he's not ready and learn all he can from the man who comes in and prepare himself for 2-3 years time when he can take over and truly make a difference.
Interested in your thoughts based on my comments. Many thanks.

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And let's remember that the whole point of tactics is getting the best out of what you have. Good tacticians still pull out good results without complaining that they cannot play their preferred way, in fact they would realise that it is not possible to play their preferred way and come up with a system that works.

Agreed that Sherwood is years away from knowing this, and being an assistant manager to someone like LVG would allow him to learn this and prepare to take over in a few years. For example playing people in their preferred positions.

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Davo, that's very harsh on TS, lol.

Spurs1985. I appreciate what you are saying mate and agree in part.

The fact Levy/Lewis appointed him in the first place shows they have a certain level of faith/trust in TS, also, why did they give him an 18 month contract and not an 'until end of season caretaker contract?

With that in mind, surely they should allow him to fulfill the contract, back him financially during the summer and January transfer window and see how he handles the job?

Don't get me wrong, he is far from already being a top manager and 'cutting your managerial teeth' on a huge club like Tottenham is almost unheard of but, for me, and I mean this with the utmost respect, he is doing a fairly decent job and, by his own admittance, has a better record than any other Spurs manager (league).

What's the worst he could do? You will not get relegated like Davo said (smiles) and, over the past 20 odd years, you have been nowhere near challenging for the league (again, I mean that with the utmost respect).

PS, I still think you should have kept Harry R.

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With the utmost respect dagenham, perhaps you'd like Harry to replace Wenger when he leaves? (Smiles).

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Dagenham, the reason Levy/lewis appointed him was because nobody else would take it. Apparently Klinsman and LVG wer offered it first but refused as they want to concentrate on the WC.
The reason he was giving an 18month contract was tactical. As one of the Eds said previously it was to keep the fans off thier back. If you believe they should let TS fulfil the contract don't you think we would've been better off letting AVB finish the year instead of giving a temp contract to TS as these were his signings (in a sense even though that's a completely different discussion) and would've been better suited to getting the best out of them?
Many thanks.

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Lol, Yellow card, I happen to like Harry, decent manager.

I hear what you are saying 1985 and again, I agree in part.

But, in fairness, don't you think TS has done a better job than AVB?
OK, tactically he is still learning and I will admit the high defensively line he play's is somewhat suicidal (yes I know, that's rich coming from a gooner who's team has conceded goals big-time), but I still think Spurs are much more entertaining and more of a threat under TS's leadership.

AVB wouldn't touch Adebayor and didn't let him near the first team.
TS has shown faith in him and he is now your top goal-scorer (a Gooner sticking up for Adebayor, you sure? lol).

LVG is a top top manager but that doesn't guarantee anything. He will probably only do what TS would do anyway. Have a clear-out and get new players in.

All I'm saying is TS is a decent manager and doing a decent job. When Liverpool appointed Brendan Rodgers as manager, the scousers were not too happy and their performances were terrible in his first season (they had one of their worst home records in Liverpool history), but look at what Rodgers has done this season, 5 games away from Prem League Champions, because he was given time to do the job. Something, I think, TS should be allowed to do.

Just my thought's mate, and I'm sure, not the thought's of any Spurs supporters, lol.

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Fair play Dagenham a well constructed arguement with comments that are hard to disagree with.
That said, yes his results have been better but IMO for 2 reasons, firstly every manager who comes into a new team has a upturn in results and in the first 5 games always get improved results (this has been proven through research recently. The research also proved that over the long haul results were almost the same), secondly because he's had a slightly more settled team and players who are starting to get to grips with the league, language etc.
Adebyor is only playing well to put the finger up at AVB and so everyone says if he was playing then different story but let's be realistic had he been playing each week he would never had this motivation so as he does would've played well as and when he could be bothered to.
As for Liverpool I genuinely believe the benifit of not playing twice a week has played a huge part in thier successful season (not taking anything away from how amazing they've been this season as I've really enjoyed watching them) and had they had the extra games you would assume they'd have gotten more injuries and had players suffer from fatigue. That said respect where it's due, they have been sensational and I'm hoping they do it this year.
Many thanks.

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1985, you make a few fair points there mate.

Agree regards Adebayor because he did the same at Arsenal and Man City (and even Real Madrid).

Also, agree with you regards Liverpool, with the no midweek European game, that has helped their cause big-time and yep they have probably/possibly been the best team in Prem this season.

All the best for the remainder mate and look after TS, lol.

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Fair points dagenham, equally well answered by 1985.

I think in time TS could become a good head coach, but he is not going to get the time at the sharp end of the PL.

He will also need to accept that he isn't ready yet and spend some time learning his trade at a lower level or under an accomplished manager that has a better understanding of multiple nationalities and a better tactical approach than just try to copy his predecessor.

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Yellow card, that sums up TS position in a nut shell! If he is 110% Spurs as everyone says, then he would accept this without delay!

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Thanks Dagenham same to yourself. Banter is all good and well but I do like a good football conversation, so many thanks it's been a pleasure discussing this with you.
Yeah we will someone's got to look after the poor Gooner ;)

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Thank you Yellow and thank's 1985, as you say, nothing beats a good footy chat, lol.

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09 Apr 2014 13:45:00
Davo, I meant it was kane's first league start for us, my apologies! As for is he good enough the simple answer to that is give the lad a chance, he had a good game against benfica and an even better one against sunderland he's still only what 20/21 so he's got years to get better and better, we need these young local lads that show pride and determination for the club! Instead of over payed foreign signings in it for the pay check!

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Agree a bit, but Lukaka is only 20 and he is ten times the player that Kane is! I am not saying he isn't a decent player but he is not top 6 class and that's what we need . Besides, if Soldado was played to his strengths, and we had a manager who can work these players, we wouldn't need a new CF .

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