Spurs Banter Archive August 03 2012

03 Aug 2012 21:17:33
Chelsea small team before Roman? Tell me how many years did spurs go without beating Chelsea in the league prior to 2006? I seem to recall it stretched back alot further than Romans time.
We won 6 1 we won 6 1 at the lane we won 6 1 we won 6 1 we won 6 1 at the lane.

The fact is twice u played us at wembley one lc one fa cup u lost both so before u start on about 61 go back further u just masy learn a thing or two

Lost both?
Facts you say.
You need to check yours mate.
When woody scored against you, he became a spurs legend!

When i read both Chels & Spurs supporters going on about history all I can think we are both getting sucked into the past, something those very very sad Scousres keep on about.
Both our team have much to be proud of and should respect each others past sucess but both our teams have much to look forward to as oppossed to those from a very very bitter red side of Liverpool

History counts for nothing. You cannot revel in past glories forever. You're only as good as you're last match.

Good afternoon gentleman - first time visitor to your site - was intrigued initially about the infighting twixt spurs and chelsea fans but then I saw this latest post about 'bitter scousers'. what is that all about?
you have managed one decent season and now you are crowing (like a cockerel?) but what will life be like sans 'arry

Puzzled

Managed a decent season , we have finished above Liverpool over the last few seasons and it will happen again the season . I can't see Liverpool in the top 5

Quite simply a significant majority of LFCc supporters go on and on about their history. Think about the chant every time that they play CFC all about them not havng any history.
They go on about RA at Chelsea yet ignore they finacial input of the Moores family, they dismiss Everton, they cant acknowledge that Man Utd without doubt are the biggest club in England and that their current owners although not as bad as the Glazers are in this to make money.

To the unnamed poster who mentioned the Moores family - to even begin to compare Roman's largesse with the financial input of the Moores family beggars belief ! Man Utd
Biggest Club ?? Biggest ground is about all!
Owners in it to make money ? Well just talking about the premiership now you will find that unless you are a billionaire's plaything you are owned 'as a business'. Is there ANYONE still out there who thinks football is anything but a business these days?
But for businessmen to make money they have to make your club successful and keep it that way,whereas as a 'plaything' you are at the mercy of the (usually) oilman's whim. When Roman walks away (as he will) the house will come tumbling down. Nowhere near enough money to finance the salaries being paid and yet player's contracts still needing to be honoured. The game is littered with financial mismanagement (and downright fraud in some cases)... Be warned - Portsmouth,Leeds,Rangers.....within the next 2/3 years a premiership 'bigboy' will join that list

Puzzled

Puzzled this is why as a spurs fan im very grateful for Levy .... Because we are run properly .... Same as arsenal they are run very well and I doubt highly unless something goes terribly wrong that it will be us( spurs ) or arsenal that will be one to join the aforementioned list ...
I can easily see it being Chelsea although man city could be there then again they havent been owned long enough for the owners to get bored and walk have they ?
Or Man u ... With the glaziers debts and all it could be them ... Although my money would like I said be on Chelsea .....

Mine too

Puzzled

You very much confirm the point about being bitter.
I dislike Man U with a passion but they are the bigest club in the UK by a country mile.
Football is a business and without doubt RA has put huge sums in to Chelsea it is different to FSG putting in the money into Liverpool in that RA wont be looking to get money back out whereas FSG will. Lets not forget about Higgs and Gillete and how well they ran LFC as a business.
Look at every club in the premier league and each has a different ownership model.Its better to have a benefactor in who will turntheir debt into equity whereas many like FSG are rubbing their hands with glee for when the new Sky contract kicks in FSG will be taking money out.
I dont doubt that a premier league team will go under but I wouldnt wish it or anyone so I go back to my bitter LFC thing you are just wishing it on someone purely because your glory days of the past are just that.
As for Spurs Levy and Lewis have done wonders they have managed to keep wage expenditure in check and the fact that over the last ten years or so the monies paid out in transfer fees has just about balanced monies paid out but the signs in wage growth suggest that that things are becoming more difficult As for owners walking whats to say Joe Lewis doesnt walk. If he does I would expect the attraction of the club would lead to another owner being there just the same as if RA did the same at Chelsea.

Puzzeld
Liverpool’s most successful period was 20 odd year period from the mid 60′s thanks in no small part to the cash from the Moores family generated by the then popular Littlewoods Football Pools which the Moores family owned, the Moores family were the majority share holders in Liverpool FC at the time, which enabled them to buy the best players of the day. In fact they paid 2 then English record fees for players and for the time paid fortunes no one else could afford. “King” Kenny Dalglish cost a then record £440,000 from Celtic (though presumably this wasn’t seen as Kenny betraying Celtic at the time as it now is with Torres wishing to join a club where he has more chance of success? Not Mercenary at all eh?), they paid £350,000 for Souness and £330,000 for Alan Kennedy again these were up near the English leagues record fees paid at that time.

Other notable players they splashed big money on back then were, Alan Hanson, John Toshack, Ray Kennedy, Phil Neal, Joey Jones and Emlyn Hughes

I don't normally waste my time with posters who cannot show a name (especially when they appear to be closet Manchester United fans) but you throw up some silly names as regards big names funded by the Moores family etc etc

Emlyn Hughes cost 65K in 1967
you signed Mike England for 95K

Phil Neal 65K / John Gorman 65K

Toshack 110K/ Roger Morgan 110K

A.Kennedy 330K/ Milija Aleksic 325K

Hansen 100K/ Jimmy Holmes 100K

Dalglish 440K/Ricardo Villa 375K

where possible I have listed a Spurs signing from the same period. In the case of
England,Morgan and Villa I had to pick the adjoining season since there weren't any to list in the precise period.

Now wasn't all this a pointless exercise?
But on looking at the list (and bear in mind YOU determined which Liverpool names would feature) we see that Liverpool's spend on the particular players named was 45K (or 4.22%) more than Spurs but look at those names !
The liverpool players all ended up being stars whereas with an odd exception or two yours were dross. Enough already

Puzzled

Dear Puzzeld (I guess thts not your name so not a lot of point using it)
We Never signed any of those players for I am not a Spurs supporter,I am not a Man U supporter either but only someone so biased as to be bitter could not recognise the achievents of them and recognise them as being the biggest club in the Uk.
The period 1960-1980 when the Moores family pumped money into LFC saw 5 clubs described as the big 5. LFC, Everton, Spurs , Arsenal and Man U . These 5 clubs spent the most and in reality won just about everything.
Liverpool during that period spent very very big and yes had success.
The vast majority of those from outside Liverpool started supporting then in the 60-80s period for obvious reasons. Its easy supporting a club when they are winning things but painful when they arent.
I was going to do a bit of work on the players you picked out but when I saw that Phil Neal signed in 1974 and John Gorman signed in 1976 i saw ou were comparing apples and pears.
Not Puzzled

You are right about Gorman - I made a mistake in reading my own scribbled notes and took it as John Gorman and then looked Gorman's fee up....It was actually John Duncan from Dundee at £110K.. You will see that I HAD put Gorman's correct fee... Now when I put Duncan's correct fee you will see that Spurs spent MORE than Liverpool in that Moore-cash-bonanza- I think it shows your argument to be...well, clueless
Anyway sorry I cannot continue with any kind of drivel with a no-name,no-club, closet United admirer

Puzzled

03 Aug 2012 10:30:26
Don't want to stir things but does anybody think AVB is a risk? Dan

Of course he's a risk. But he's a risk that comes with a high potential reward

Is there a manager that isn't a risk ...or a player come to that, even the best are one injury from being worthless.

AVB a disaster waiting to happen {Ed008's Note - Give the man a chance!

Dont worry Ed , probably a chav or gooner with a comment like that .
Davo