Spurs Banter Archive May 21 2013

 

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21 May 2013 22:43:30
No one has mentioned that our u21 team that lost lastnight had quite a few players missing with them out on loan eg Coulibaly, Smith and Mason whilst Manchester United were at full strength.

We really have some very good players coming through. Coulibaly, Pritchard, Mcevoy, Cellabos and Bentaleb are exceptional.

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21 May 2013 21:18:24
Why is everyone so judgemental about benteke just remember he's young he's scored 18 goals with a struggleing team he's quick, strong and has a good shot on him. i'm not saying he's top class but he certainly has the potential.

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21 May 2013 19:50:26
why does would we want to sell parker our player of the year last season and has had his this year mostly injured and think will have a good seasons next season just need a more creative midfielder a long side him

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Will give you a list ;
Too old
Too injury prone
Too slow
Can't pass
Runs around like a headless chicken
A liability
Likes to think he is an attacking mid fielder
Need any more?

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Davo, you forgot to add to that list
'This is only my opinion'
Yes we can improve on Parker, we already have when sandro is fit.
He has covered sandro all season.
You are being very unfair. It's a squad game and our squad isn't strong enough.

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I loved parker last year he was a real stalwart for our midfield, he broke everything up and generally linked play together. unfortunately whether it was the injury or age catching up he hasn't been as good this year. I agree we need squad players but at 32 he may just be passed his sell by date judging from this season. once sandro is fit we have our midfield general who will need cover but I don't think parker is that man anymore we perhaps need to look other players within the squad to take the mantle of second fiddle to sandro and try to get a few quid for parker.

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION

derbyshire dave

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The way we played last year meant Parker had a constant outlet in either Modric, Rafa, Bale or Lennon, even the full backs were playing much better. And, between those players we kept the ball better and moved it faster. All he had to do was hassle and ball win bix-to-box and he did it very well.
We have improved on our points tally this year but, lots of changes to last year added to injuries and a lack of numbers meant less fluency and silly dropped points. The manner of the dropped points was different as well, we were up against teams parking the bus last season, this year it's been more about us being a bit flatter and less creative, fewer options to call on without Bale's brilliance.
We lost our first choice centre back pairing and had problems with Sandro an Parker so no wonder we weren't consistently solid.
We need 2x quality signings at least, creative midfielder and decent striker - will cost at least £30-40m and we don't have depth or numbers to sell much so it's not very hopeful we'll get them.
Simmo

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22 May 2013 10:50:04
If we were going to keep one of Parker or Huddlestone as a squad player next season I would choose Parker all day long. I still for the life of me cannot understand what some fans see in Huddlestone. I too think Parker is being given a roar deal by some and who knows with a break and then a full pre-season behind him he could prove a valuable asset. What d'you think ed - Parker or Huddlestone?

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Simmo
i disagree my friend, I think this year after the football we played last year the opposition know that we can play fast attacking football so now they sit back a little allowing us no space for flair, this meaning we require the forwards to take the chances as they come because we don't get as many. we have a less attacking side than last year but our tactics and sub tactics (avb's sub plots) have meant we have got the best out of what we have now. I like you think we need a ittle more investment in attack (obviously) but I also feel we could do with more attacking midfield-wide options as well. this would keep us fresh and give competition to all positions making us more competative. we have generally faired worse when using the squad players last season because the quality of them isn't good enough for a top four side. what we have is a good squad and a fantastic manager if we can just up our squad/first team a notch I think we will compete next season. Unfortunately levy will decide and not avb so don't hold your breath

derbyshire dave

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Oh dear I am being so unfair, funnily enough, life isn't fair! We had what we needed out of Parker, and now unfortunately he is past it! Not sure if this is only my opinion, but don't care. Actually looking at the other posts, now and over the season, its not only my opinion but as I said, don't care.
Surely Ed, as this is a banter site you aren't going to want everyone to put, in my opinion before we start any banter? {Ed008's Note - No that's silly people have different views on different players I actually agree with your views on Parker when he plays Dembele plays deeper but when Sandro plays Dembele is slightly more influential in midfield.

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Davo wt is a matter with u u do not need pace to be a CDM parker bearly ever loses the ball so how can he not pass as for being injury prone he has played a lot of games since signing for spurs and and as for age just look at pirlo as CDM need experince and in the team however will admit he did not have he's best season {Ed008's Note - Pirlo plays a completely different role to Parker he's a deep lying playmaker and Vidal/Marchisio do all the defending in front of him..

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Not being one for looking at stats, I wonder whether someone knows Parkers pass completion rate! From watching games at the lane, it didn't look good! Also last season he played where he should, defensive midfield but this year lost his head and thought his name was Modric, and spent more time in the oppositions half
Davo

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Yes davo, it is a banter site.
People have different opinions.
The way you post, you castigate people from having a different opinion to yours.
You come across to aggressive when you post and reply to people who's opinion differs to yours.
As you said yourself, this is a banter site and everyone will see differences in different players.

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Oh bless! I am a bully, thank you for chastising me!

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It's true that Parker rarely loses the ball, but that is half of the problem. Our best play comes when we have quick tempo from midfield. A perfect example of this is the Bale goal against Man Utd.

Sandro wins the ball just outside of our penalty area and plays a simple first time dink pass to Dembele, who beats one player and plays the ball forward to Bale. Now it is 2v2, and we score.

When Parker gets the ball look at how many opposition players are behind the ball, and then look how many it is when he passes it. He is so intent on keeping the ball (because his passing is not excellent) that he would rather run in circles than play a simple release. That kills the tempo, allows the opposition to regroup, and then we find it hard to score. It looks good individually, but it harms the team performance.

Similarly he gets forward a lot now, and this reduces Dembele to a more defensive role. Go back and look at the stories after our first 8 games and see the results when Dembele played against when he was injured. It was not a co-incidence that our run of losses came when he was not available. In the second half of the season he has been forced to play a role that does not suit him.

Parker isn't a bad player, he's just not the right player for this team anymore. Normally I'd say keep him as backup, but at his age and due to the service he has given us I'd let him go cheap to the club he wants to go to so that he gets some playing time in the last few years of his career.

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21 May 2013 18:39:38
Everyone is way too keen on getting a new striker. Is there any interest in a new keeper? Archer could get some game time and Friedel isn't getting any younger.

Lloris was the buy of the season IMO!
thoughts?

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Don't need a keeper as you correctly suggested we have Archer as back up. Now lloris was a great signing but for me our best signing was Vertongen, absolute class.

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Way too keen on getting a striker?! Damn right we are because it cost is 3rd or 4th this year!
Simmo

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And last year. and the year before.

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21 May 2013 18:06:18
James McCarthy? Oh dear, looks like we're in for another Levy window

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James at the right price would be great business have you seen this YOUNG lad play much at all I don't think you have. if the money was right he would be the exact mould we are looking for young with ags of potential and don't forget he played for a team that has been relegated so didn't get to shine as much as he would in a decent side like spurs.

derbyshire dave

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21 May 2013 15:31:00
Lloris---Walker Kaboul Vertonghen Rose---Sandro Dembele---Lennon Bale Son Heung-Min---Benteke

Core 1st Team Squad: Friedel, Naugton, Dawson, Caulker, Carroll, McCarthy, Holtby, Dempsey, Townsend, Defoe (and possibly another forward, perhaps Remy on the cheap from QPR?)

I'd imagine that is a fairly realistic squad for next season. Expect us to be challenging for top 4 again, as well as, hopefully, having a good go at winning one of the 3 trophies on offer. COYS.

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Will b less than impressed if we started nxt season with this squad

Rob

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I would doubt rose

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21 May 2013 13:57:56
I sincerly think that if we got odemwinge in janruary he would of scored them 3-5 goals that would of pushed us into the top 4. Then we could of shipped him on in the summer.

Jay-B-13

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Oh please!!

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Maybe if we still had Redknapp he may have been sitting in our car park and not QPR's

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Imagine it: levy puts in a phonecall and offers a short term loan deal. Saha scored a few valuable goals last year

Jay-B-13

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21 May 2013 13:22:19
Damiao is massively overrated in my opinion. Wilfred Bony would be the MUCH better option

Septic Yid

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Not overly sure about Damiao myself either, put Bony is not good enough.

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Bony is pony!
b/s

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21 May 2013 12:47:28
The best option in my opinion would be to bring in both Wilfred Bony and Aubameyang. But I doubt it's going to happen

Septic Yod

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21 May 2013 10:53:15
Eds any news regarding these three players? I'm
almost 100% certain Pablo and Jan are nailed on.

Pablo Osvaldo.
Jan Moutinho.
Marcelo.

The visionary. {Ed002's Note - Roma's Osvaldo is likely heading to Napoli after Fiorentina stepped back from a deal.

Spurs lost Modric but stalled over a summer move for Joao Moutinho. Whilst I understand that interest from Spurs remains and efforts are being made to strike a deal, they will need to not only stump up whatever fee Porto think is right but also do a hard-sell on the player, as Moutinho has hinted a move to PSG would suit him best - and PSG, together with Monaco, are interested. I don't know what plans his sister Jan has.}

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Edd02

That's hilarious in Italy there saying moutinho has signed for Monaco don't know if its true but seems that our only chance would be his sister Jan haha

Marc

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21 May 2013 16:58:56
If we signed Osvaldo then we may aswell give up. He is utter crap. {Ed008's Note - Agree!

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What does she look like? I hope her first touch is better than Ade's

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21 May 2013 08:50:35
Let's not get too carried away with all the doom and gloom of not getting into the CL places, ok it's another kick in the teeth for us guys but when you look at it we were not a million miles away from finishing second! If we had gone out and got a decent striker in jan then we wouldn't be having this conversation. If we keep the current squad and add a few quids worth of quality there's no reason why we can't push again next year. As long as DL supports AVB financially then I will be looking fwd to next year. COYS!!!!

Rufus

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21 May 2013 17:02:20
The rival teams will all be strengthening aswell. I reckon it could be one of biggest spending transfer windows in premiership history.

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Prices could get silly with Utd, City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco, Madrid and Barca all looking to improve and challenge the Germans next year. not forgetting Pep will be managing Bayern. I don't see us being in the frame for many big name players. the likes of Remy are more realistic.

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Sure, but if they are bringing players in then there is likely some players that will need a new home. I think going for the less favoured Madrid / Barca players is more realistic than Remy (who might be playing prison football next season).

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Players like dzeko could be looking for a new club, proven in the prem, he could be a bargain. Marko Marin doesn't become a bad player over night. Lukaku, if Chelsea sign more strikers then he's going to be available. I could go on, plenty of good players about without paying silly money

Rufus

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22 May 2013 02:17:42
How can Dzeko be a bargain when he cost 29m and is on about 150 grand a week? Man City may struggle to get rid of him as these players become deluded to think they are worth these wages and expect similar wages if they move. Marin was never that good in the first place.

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Your not going to pay 29 mill now, prob more around the 17 mill mark and given a good run in a team he could be exactly what we need. Marin is not that good but Chelsea signed him? maybe if mata wasn't playing out of his skin he would have played more.

Rufus

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You never quite know it is not all 100% about money for anyone. Given the option of staying at City and getting a sub appearance once a month or moving to a club where he will be first team but has to take a 20k-50k pay cut Dzeko might prefer to play than warm the bench.

Proven Premiership goal scorer, and powerful enough in the air to give us the Plan B we need against lower league opposition. Highly doubt it would happen of course, but would be exactly the sort of player we should be trying to do a deal on.

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21 May 2013 00:37:16
Hi all,
I am a lifelong spurs fan in my forties who visits this site daily and has done for a about a year I suppose.
What puzzles me after a year of reading the banter and rumours in here is" how old are most of these posters"?
Main reason for me wondering this is due to a huge majority of posters feeling the team are underachieving.
Now if you are old enough to have witnessed the the double winners from 6061. Then yes comparing this team to the double winners they are underachieving.
But for everyone else ditch the rose tinted glasses. Bar the occasional cup run or triumph it has basically been 30 years of frustration as a spurs fan.
We have had some outstanding players in my time as a spurs fan but never an outstanding team.
Now I genuinely think we are very close to having an outstanding squad not just team.
The last 4 years finishes are better and more consistent than any thing in my life time.
For the first time as well we have a team that truly can beat anyone in the premier league.
As proved this year time and time again.
Like everyone else here yes I agree not all is perfect we need a few additional players to make our outstanding team an outstanding squad.
Way too many levy haters in here, I think he has done a superb job since he took over, people forget our main rivals have at least 15,000 more capacity than spurs.
Would anyone here really want alan sugar to buy him out, now that really would be a huge step backwards.
Once the new ground is built and we are playing there I genuinely things will get better.
Shane69

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In my mid 20's. I don't post half as much as others but agree that the last 4 years have been amazing.
Before this my fondest spurs memories were the kinsman's 1st and 2nd coming.

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The feeling of underachievement is more around the sense of missed opportunities rather than poor performance. Certainly if you compare our results and performance of the last 4 years against that of a decade ago then it is worlds apart. We rarely beat the top 4 (this year P8, W3, D2, L3) and a top 8 finish was seen as a good season (which we've done better than since the Ramos days).

Now that all said our weakness has been glaring for a few years. Ade papered over the cracks last year but we really need a CL level ST if we want to get CL football as the Premiership is so much more competitive. And if you look at how slim the margins have been the last 4 years then there is a real belief (including amongst myself) that a £20m striker bought 3 years ago when we got into the CL could have got us over the line in the last 3 campaigns and paid for his own transfer fee in CL money.

Yes, sure, he gets more stick on here and other places than he really should considering the team that has been built under his watch. But he hasn't finished the job yet.

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Shane69 - at last a proper tottenham fan and a great post couldn't put it better. Now 5th is failure to sum. I remember finishing in the top half was brilliant. What a job levy has done.

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In my 50's and they wouldn't be buying Levy out!

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Exactly, well said.

Jimbo (21)

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I am sorry but I completely disagree,
I am in my mid 30s and can still feel disappointed, surely its a personal opinion. Also you don't have to have lived and seen the 60s team to know about it, surely part of being a true spurs fan is to engulf yourself in our history and want to see our team of today do as well as the 60's teams. I am not saying that finishing 5th is a failure because it isn't, how can surpassing our PL points total be considered a failure, the failure comes into it when other teams that we are striving to overcome are out there improving and moving on, whereas we seem to sit still and rest on our laurels.

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